threadripper would be your best bet as it has all the lanes you could ever need.
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Thank you, I have a feeling the way I wrote this I was forcing to go Threadripper and just realized that during lunch. I am open to any suggestions even if is Intel.
if you go intel then your only choice is the x99 or above platform as you need more pcie lanes than then z line can handle. and the price priemuim would be a bit more than the threadripper. seriously the thread ripper is currently the king when it comes to PCIE connectivity and price to performance.
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I see, true. Someone was just telling me you can use the PCIE to put adapter for more M.2 / Sata into the system. That I won’t max out PCI Lane even on a 2700X. Honestly I have no idea about Lanes and such. People talk to me like I know this stuff and I don’t even though I know a lot about technology just not stuff like PCI Lanes since I never in my life needed to worry about it until now. Since i use to run servers to host my drives as a home NAS which I don’t anymore.
Since you’re here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REi1Tb-zGKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z0v_Kc3E-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqv_6qhbHxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR8jG0XLIrs
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your not doing anything real exotic you could use a ryzen 2700x and a m.2 adapter and be good. it just depends on how much effort and money you are willing to throw at it. ( i am out of the pricing loop of daughter boards)
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I will add this - if you need any sort of audio gear hooked up to your machine, ensure you don’t have to rely on Thunderbolt, as if you were to go with Threadripper, Intel’s patented Thunderbolt will not be supported.
I was looking at your use case and it seems you’d be doing quite a bit of audio work and that may or may not involve peripherals that require a certain port or connection. I would look into that thoroughly before selecting your MOBO.
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True most of my hardware connects via USB which the amount of USB is critical to me. I fill up the back and the front of a z390 ROG Formula. The back of a ASUS ROG Crosshair VII HERO is the minimum usb usage same about the Extreme Alpha on the Threadripper side. I do have an audio card I drop in from time to time but my main Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 is USB base until I upgrade to the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 later on. However; that will be a good while since computer parts will eat up my budget fast. However nothing that a usb hub can’t fix I think. lol
Just wanted to make sure you were factoring that in… I was thinking about this other thread which a fellow L1T user ran into some audio gear compatibility issues after he had his new build up and running.
Hopefully since you’re already trying to map it out ahead of time we can help you avoid headache down the road.
Good luck with your build
Here is the setup as you can see on the right was a TR4 1920X with AsRock Fatality Professional Gaming. Which I sold to my friend, my suffering there was lack of USB and wanting to do hackintosh which is why I played around with the z390 platform and the 9900K. Once again suffer form usb on the ROG Forumla. Also the odd issues I ran which had me down for a few weeks. Now I am down again until I figure a build out.
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Hey Grokas thanks for pointing out the Thunderbolt 3 issue. I was not aware that these motherboards didn’t bring it but the z390 ASUS Maximus Extreme seems to bring one that you can put an adapter card into it. hmmm…
But question THunderbolt 3 is more of a mac thing right so more useful to them and hackintosh machine?
The Z390 ASUS Maximus Extreme has Thunderbolt 3 (form factor of the port is USB 3.1 Type C)
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-XI-EXTREME/specifications/
Thunderbolt 3 is an Intel thing, so the thing I wanted you to know about was that if you expected to be able to use a media or audio device that demanded the use of Thunderbolt 3 and you had chosen to build a Threadripper build, you would then have to DIY your connection. It can work, but it might have brought pain and suffering.
You are somewhat correct, newer macs have this port. Its an amazing interface, but unfortunate it isn’t on both team red and team blue.
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Man thank you, as a hardware lover older and newer that requires sometimes Thunderbolt plugin etc… I was not even thinking on that direction at all. I do appreciate your taking the time to point that out to me because I completely forgot all about that since I have not been looking lately for hardware that uses that. I was a few weeks ago before this whole madness but never though about the motherboard having the header or the port for it.
Question is Thunderbolt a dying plug? I had someone tell me that.
Well as a fellow hardware lover and audiophile, I wanted to make sure that was a part of your process when selecting your parts.
You’ve got a good bit of gear there and I didn’t want you to end up not being able to use the latest and greatest.
Of course there is always an adapter or a dongle or a USB hub that has a million ports or a hack… but whatever you do, make sure its going to work with your use case.
Enjoy your new build whatever your choice is…
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I agree with you and thank you again!
USB 3.1 Type C is (in my opinion) the new hotness.
Its got amazing throughput, but “Thunderbolt” seems to be an Intel-Only deal which makes Apple love that proprietary markup potential. It is arguable whether or not this is a good idea.
I for one wish that it wasn’t so proprietary and more of a true standard so that all facets of technology could make use of the potential it has… that said…
It gets confusing when talking Thunderbolt 2 vs MiniDisplayPort, or Thunderbolt 3 vs USB Type C
They’re the same form factor but there is some difference in “modes”
https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/difference-between-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3
True true. Thanks! Friend thinks is silly I would go with Intel because of one feature. lol I don’t get it since he is so hyped up about AMD Ryzen 3000 series matching and possibility beating the 9900K. Well he knows for sure that will happen but I am not after future distance tech, I need to get my machine up now and get it working again. So I must look to what there is out now and not in the near future.
so ryzen 3000 8 core beat the 9900k at ces, and amd has hinted and their have been leaks of a 12 and 16 core that can hit 5ghz. i would wait to see how that does, because if nothing else it will lower the price of threadripper which seems to be what youre leaning towards.
if however you cant wait, thread ripper 2 seems to be where its at, with all the cores and features at lower prices.
as for motherboard, look for something with a beefy vrm cooler and active cooling if you can find one.
and more importantly i would consider running a 1000 watt psu. not including your vega cooler or modified bios, you’ll be pulling 750 watts at stock. with the bios and cooler its going to be over 800 possibly over 850 before overclocking. this is assuming ofc the 2990wx, but even if you go lower i would up the power.
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This is kinda a though one.
If you need allot of connectivity and expansion capabilities then TR would be really good choice.
But it kinda depends on how important gaming is for you.
And at which resolution you aim to game at.
TR is not really the greatest platform wenn it comes to gaming.
Some of the games listed like Diablo3 and Dirt Rally really benefit from intel’s per core performance.
However this is mainly seen wenn gaming on lower res like 1080p / 1440p with a highend gpu like a RTX2080.
However if you aim to game at like 4K with a single gpu setup, then cpu choice,
will have very little impact on performance.
Because at 4K you will be gpu bound in most scenario’s.
Wenn it comes to TR i would probably say go with the 2000 series cpu’s.
Those are slightly better then the 1000 series.
However a 1920X at its current price point is of course a steal.
So it might be a smart move to pick that one up as a place holder until new TR sku’s hit the market.
If you have plans to do a cpu upgrade in the future.
If not then go with a 2920X / 2950X.
As for X399 motherboards.
Basically all the boards are pretty decent, but i would advice to skip on the Asrock X399 phantom gaming6 and Msi X399 Sli plus.
Those are entry level boards, Asrock has a downgraded vrm, Msi X399S sli plus,
i have not checked the vrm out on that one.
But i assume that Msi probably has made some price cuts there aswell eg cheap mosfets.
But the entry level X399 board will probably lack the amount of connectivity features,
you are looking for anyways.
Asus in my opinion still has the best bios overall, better overclocking features,
voltage controls, fan control etc.
The newly announced Asus X399 Zenith EXtreme alpha won’t be cheap.
But it will pretty much offer all the bells and whisels you would need.
But of course if you dont tempt to go with the higher core count 250W tdp cpu’s,
like the 2970WX or 2990WX.
Then the board might be a little bit overkill.
Maybe the original Zenith Extreme might get a price drop once the Alpha is out.
Then you might find a nice deal on it.
Gigabyte Aorus X399 Extreme would also be a decent choice aswell.
But in my opinion Asus still win’s in the bios department.
Msi X399 Gaming pro Carbon AC and Msi X399 MEG Creation,
are both really solid boards wenn it comes to their build quality.
The Msi MEG creation has the most powerfull vrm of all X399 boards currently.
However that also is pretty much its only advantage.
The Msi X399 Gaming pro carbon AC has a very decent vrm aswell.
Its just that Msi’s bios isn’t really that great.
They lack certain features like offset voltage, en its a little bit of a pain to navigate.
Its a bit of a mess.
Lacking offset voltage is a huge bummer.
Asrock: Asrock X399 Fatality professional also not a bad board if you stick to the 180W tdp cpu’s up till the 2950X.
Still the bios from Asrock is a thing they need to improve on.
But their bios definitely isnt the worst.
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