Money researcher calls Ubiquiti Networks fraud

Aruba or Cisco are the high end shit I have seen sure there are others but those are the two I am aware of.

While Ive no idea on this citron guy, who i imagine has a motive behind his video. Ubuquiti still isnt following licensing as far as I can tell. A quick look around there forum and site suggests there using the FCC cant let people touch wireless argument to violate licenses and keep the code to themselves.

The company does have a decent hold of certain markets i think, and it would seems to do well at word of mouth, but I also don’t think it would take much to topple compete against them, and there’s likely better out there when your doing truly specialist wireless networks.

Ubiquiti is the gear ive seen small networking companies use. Im not sure about large companies?

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After reading through the article, my general thought is that I’d like another more reputable outlet to pick this up before I go out and bash Ubiquiti. The article isn’t written like a piece of investigative journalism but at places smells of a hit piece. Sections like:

It was the same “focus on money” behavior that led Pera to become the major owner of an NBA team less than 1 year after his IPO. While Pera should have been busy building a team in Silicon Valley, he instead built a team on the hardwood in Memphis.

Where the author is just criticizing the CEO’s other business interests, things that plainly do not pertain to the business of Ubiquiti.

Or then calling the article “Citron Exposes ubiquiti networks.” “Exposes” sounds so childish, like the point of the article was some kind of a victory and not of journalistic intentions.


I might be completely wrong and this guy may be 10x smarter than me, but the style of which the article was written makes me question the intent of the writer and thus I would prefer to see other professional opinions before I go out and condemn Ubiquiti. Full disclosure, I use their stuff and like it, but they’re not beyond reproach in my mind if they’re pulling shit.

I don’t see how this video proves that Ubiquiti is a fraud… rather, he quite eloquently explains why Ubiquiti can keep their HR and R&D costs low.

Ubiquiti’s selling point is the “secret” enterprise, consumer priced product. Of course it’s going to sell well with prosumers who don’t want to pay for the Cisco label. Combining that with constant low stock (demand higher than supply at least), and sure they’ll have a good economy.

That’s how it seems to me. By this coin, this video could have been about Apple…

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We bought uboquitiy VoIP and didn’t like it. About 30 systems. It works but has been abandoned and there are now dangerous security issues.

The ac apcvs ac. V2 sure feels like a bait and switch.

Imho they have done a lot of really questionable stuff but some of the hardware is actually good. I hope they get their act together.

VoIP is a shit show, but that’s a whole 'nutha Oprah.

Apple is basically immune to this stuff. You can drag them up or down a few points by “leaking” specs on a device, but that’s about all that can happen. Not really much.

This. 24P L2 1GbE switch for $400? Sign me up!

The only company I’ve seen do VoIP properly is either Shoretel or CIsco.

Can you elaborate on this? im curious about knowing what theyve done.

Well, shit. I just bought a UAP-AC-Lite.

in the same boat, though i love my AC-Lite

What mutation said.

We bought a full kit of these:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C{creative}%2C{keyword}&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIufzhxbix1gIVw0OGCh0N-wQ-EAQYAiABEgJfh_D_BwE&is=REG&m=Y&sku=1107674

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&O=&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C{creative}%2C{keyword}&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIufzhxbix1gIVw0OGCh0N-wQ-EAQYASABEgKoDPD_BwE&is=REG&sku=1079087

About 20-30 units. Absolutely terrible experience. The phones look great, but they are underpowered and end of life. I can’t believe anyone is still selling these. They are terrible. The sip software is borderline unusable. We bought them to do a custom android app that ties in with some specialty phone stuff, and it kind of works for that, but with only 1gb ram and the browser our webview app has to be restarted constantly. The web app ended up doing stuff that a sip app should do – presence, status, etc.

Feels very bait and switch without being an outright fraud. There is not enough room to even do a flash upgrade on them, and no security patches.

Some access points in unairconditioned environments (like a gymnasium, indoor warehouse) die constantly despite being rated for operation in the parameters of the environment. The 1st gen routers were not good.

the software update process for older N/G access points is a bit harrowing. Sometimes the fleet of access points works fine, sometimes it has issues. PoE switches that can disable PoE on a port are a must to “power cycle” the APs if you’ve got largish installations.

For the cost savings over cisco, some of these things you can put up with, but the pricing hasn’t been as good as it once was when the products launched.

Competitors are lapping at their heels for access points.

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Their access point solution is really their strong point, in my opinion. I wouldn’t be concerned about it.

Don’t expect to get full AC performance from it, but you’ll definitely get reliable performance.

My only issue is that occasionally (once a year or so) I need to unplug the POE injector to hard reboot the device.

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The UAP-AC-Lite is already better than my ISP provided modem’s wlan. And I only need reception for one room (kitchen has a layer of RFID shielding on one wall…don’t ask. and it’s messing with the reception in my room). The setup is a bit confusing for an “average consumer”, though.

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I have that problem in my house. Turned out to be a combination of aircon ducting and power cables creating what is effectively a “Faraday wall”

My grandfather put it on there on purpose. Something about electromagnetic fields from high-current kitchen supplies and my bed being directly on the other side of the wall.

*not rfid, but emi. kinda like that

Oh, that’s cool!

Yeah, but it messed with my wlan reception big time. One room between the modem and my room -> sometimes not even enough signal strength for googling stuff. 3 stories down outside of our apartment -> not perfect, but way better than in my room.


Anyway, what’s the general consensus on this guy?

To quote me:

I watched a video with him from CNBC. That’s kind of the impression that I got (and the interviewers weren’t really convinced by him either).

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