Mechanical hard drives hardly worth buying

Yup. Think I’m gonna give my NAS the official title of Colonel Klunk & Chug. :slight_smile:

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For a data hoarder when the internet goes dark, HD’s are a boon all the movies, tv and porn a person could need ever on 4 hd’s

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Give it a few years and SSD density will accelerate way beyond HDD - at an affordable price.

Right now NAND (capacity) looks to be following moore’s law or faster.

Spinning rust just isn’t.

also:

Density wise, SSDs allready are far beyond HDDs.

However, same with LiPo-Batteries, more density will equal more trouble when it eventually fails.

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Yeah, thats why i qualified it with “at an affordable price” :smiley:

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lots of anime movies and cartoons but no porn or tv (wife babysits and uses the movies for short entertainment for the kids when its raining outside)
(Besides i used to own a video rental store and had to repair tapes and ive seen more crud than i care to remember)

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It costs at least three times as much to do forensic recovery on SSDs as it does HDDs. This is why backups are so critically important.

The good thing is that if an SSD just simply wears out, and runs out of write-erase cycles, it will go read-only and you can get data off. What you’re worried about is pulling data off a drive with a failed NAND controller, or NAND module itself. That’s where you’re going to incur costs, and I don’t know of a method to recover a failed NAND module as of today.

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Relying on disk forensics for data recovery is like relying on crash barriers on the freeway to stop.

People who don’t back up their stuff in the modern age, where backing up is brain numbingly simple (e.g., time machine, windows backup, etc.) deserve to lose their data.

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Put it this way. If your recovery method for data loss is disc recovery, you’re completely boned if the device is stolen :smiley:

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true but lets face it are they taught to do it properly in schools today?
us old farts learned it as second nature save file while working, storing in proper folder when finished and back up as soon as possible were drummed into us from the onset.

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Whether they are taught to do it in schools or not, everybody at this point has heard about viruses and mechanical failure, and everybody knows things get stolen.

Setting up backup in macOS (for example) is as simple as plugging in a blank external drive and answering “yes” to “do you want to use this for time machine” (from memory, it’s been a long time).

Windows is similarly simple.

Linux has simple backup options of its own.

Not being taught about it in school is no excuse.

true but they aren’t getting the importance of it either.
and i agree with you if the don’t back up its on their head if they lose the data
and experiencing loss like that is the best teacher.

anyhow here’s an amusing bit of trivial info the srw floppy disk case holds 1872 micro sd cards per case and a stack of 5 per tower.
if using all 32 gig cards that is a staggering 299.5 terra-bytes of data.

Then there is the long term storage issue of solid state media vs HD’s. I know your normal SSD is not meant to be used for cold storage because it relies on charged cells that does dissipate over time.
Im sure other flash is better but it is an issue if your not aware of it.

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Marten. I had mentioned cold storage earlier in this thread and I suspect that soon enough this will be the optimum reason why we should still use the old mechanical klunk drives. I’m wondering if you what you say about charged cells also applies to the newer NVME architecture.

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It does.

Honestly, if you want to do reliable, long-term cold-storage of lots of data, tape is still number one. Lto8 is faster than single hdds, stores more (for the price) and has more long-term reliability.

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I thought tape storage was even slower though. I agree with it for long term storage. However I don’t think I will be getting a tape drive for my laptop so easily.

For writing the archive, it’s about 350 megabytes per second. For reading, it’s not quite so quick. You have to read the whole tarball.

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The advantage is that the tape moves with constant speed while HDDs due to their shape have different speed depending on the R/W head position.

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Don’t tapse have a variable speed as well, due to the effective spindle diameter changing as it winds? Or does that not have an effect?

I haven’t really examined tape that closely.

Compact Cassette, yes.
LTO, no.

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