So I got a link to this today and it seems way out there. I cant find a source to it and am wondering if anyone else has some more info on this. If this is true it is terrifying what the implications could be if the world doesn't criticize the hell out of France for this. I already have issues that my Internet history can be viewed by people not at my computer, but if I were to go to France apparently even if I am not the reason the pages are viewed the history itself is evidence?
Edit: I missed the link to the verge as being the actual link to the source so the source is very easy to find.
What do you mean you can't find a source to it? Links are in the article. One link takes you to The Verge, and there you have more links to French websites.
Well I can't justify what France did to that man but someone that has been visiting ISIS affiliated webistes for two years who's living in a country still scared by massive terrorists attacks surely gets arrested for doing so. If I look at "how to make a bomb" on Google I risk getting arrested even if I'm just an ordinary guy that lives where terrorism is not a real threat.
Man that's fucked up. This is why constant mass surveillance and automatic record keeping of other peoples actions are wrong. There are legit reasons to look up some if the things that could get you arrested.
Fuck that. This is proper thought crime levels of scary.
I don't think that this came from an automatic record of his activity online but maybe because he was a suspect and he got controlled closely. If all of this comes from an automatic system of surveillance it's really fucked up as you said.
If they knew better then they would remember the horrors of the past. Neither they nor us remember because very few are alive from then. Plus we as people in this century have had it better than any in history. We are only going through the cycle of nations that rise and fall from liberating enlightenment to enslaving apathy. Blinded by comfort and entitlements people gladly give up liberty for security, Livelihood for lifestyle, and responsibilities for rights.
The French have done some goofy stuff over their history. For example, executing their royal family and any person not supporting their Constituion - in the name of The Constitution and "law-and-order" (see French Revolution, or Edmund Burke's critique of The Revolution.)
I respect France, both their people and as a sovereign nation, and look at them as friends - but, that doesn't mean I don't sit back and quietly wonder WTH they're doing right now.
To me this seems like a direct response to the current affairs taking place there. I don't think to say they have a major terrorism issue is unfair. It's not surprising that due to their current societal structure, there are people searching for terroristic related topics. Unfortunately, it's their government who legislated the causes of this issue and now they HAVE to legislate these kinds of laws to respond to it.
You must protect your society's stability, first and foremost (we call this "domestic Tranquillity" in our Constitution and it's the 3rd listed item - ahead of common defence. Feel free to criticise the wonders my current, lameduck administration has done for our domestic Tranquity of the past 4 years - I won't put up a fight). While not 3rd world unstable, France is in a hot vat right now and they have to get this terrorism issue under control.
But, I feel it's a square hole round peg problem. They tried to accommodate and pursue high ideals- at the detriment to their stability and essential freedoms, including the privacy of their citizens. Stability and freedoms are very difficulty to establish and maintain, and extremely precious once you've obtained them. It's yet to be seen but they're eating into the muscle of a few hundred years of societal growth for their relatively recent domestic policy.
In my opinion, the government should value societal stability and the essential natural rights and constitutionally protected rights of citizens over the pursuit of new-age high ideals. I understand why they have these laws right now, but really it's their own fault. They're going to have to live with the blowback (typically a word reserved for foreign policy) of their domestic policy decisions.
I hope the best for our sister country - But, it's France - I'm a Yank - what the hell do I know?
It doesn't say he's been watching jihadist websites for two years, but he was sentenced to two years. That is the maximum punishment for that kind of thought "crime" in France.
I have to disagree buddy. This a quote straight from the news: "had been regularly visiting pro-ISIS websites for two years". I don't know if my english or my whole brain are failing me at the moment but that sentence means that he was a regular follower of pro-ISIS sites for two years.
Yes that is what in took from it too, he regularly vieied the website, it also mentions he had a beheading video, an Isis wallpaper and password was a date if a French "terror" attack. So yeah he was definitely a follower. But other then that had done nothing to incriminate him. And they still have not said how they got this information but I have not read the other articles yet.