logan and wendell please dont speak about the NBN on the tek in till you know more about Aus network and how it is setup and how it was build in the past and how every things needs to be place cos watching you two on the last tek made me think you were a pack of dumm ass speaking about something you have no i dear about. but other wise the show was good.
btw 1GBps is a want not a need for a home atm and the speeds will improve with time.
P.S this is my opinion
I think the biggest problem with the whole NBN debate is that the people on the FTTH side are either too stupid or think it's fine to exaggerate and lie to manipulate people to their side. The coalition's FTTN is not 25mbps, it's 25-100 most people will have 100mpbs or close too it.
I honestly don't care about how fast it is, I'm just sick of all the people going on about how it's only 25mbps, acting like it'll be worse than dial-up and all this nonsense.
The argument really consists of those who know what they are talking about (FTTH supporters) and those who lack knowledge on the matter and genuinely believe Liberals NBN solution was always superior (FTTN supporters). You should check out Malcolm Turnbull's Facebook page and see his latest status update regarding the petition - http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn
You can blatantly see the foolishness of some people when they try to rebuttal against those in favour of the FTTH NBN. Sadly, these are also the same kind of people who are in charge of policies such as this. The older generation, for some reason.
Sure, 100mpbs is impressive, by Australian standards. Really, this is only 3.5-12MBs download speed we will physically be capable of reaching. Speeds already attainable to some (without the NBN) in Australia. The issue of cost seems to be the driving force between the FTTN supporters. Though by the proposed completion date of the Liberals NBN rollout, in 2019, the eyes of these tunnel visioned FTTN supporters will be opened to the not so impressive speeds and we will be spending MORE on simply the maintenance of the donkey kart era copper wiring.
The analogy has been used a thousand times but FTTN is like an eight lane highway merging into a footpath. A huge bottleneck, being the copper wire.
The choice should be transparent and obvious to the Libs.
For those interested in the 'real deal'
http://stevej-on-nbn.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/the-real-deal-on-coalition-nbn-same.html
compulsory acquisition of the copper network from telstra and you don't do it just for the copper but for the conduits it would make thing so much faster if you were to lay FTTH or just do the FTTN and this all so mains you may lose the phone over copper and have to move to something like voip. my big problem with FTTH is that the way they were doing it was going to tack a long long long time and they were running over budget and not meting the quoters for number of connections. were as FTTN would give every one a fair speed faster and people with realy bad net would have it beater faster + most people dont realy need fast net it is mainly IT people who want it for their homes (btw with this i am looking at this from a home not a business point of view as i think when it dose come to puting in fiber it should be done for business first and then homes with the oldest copper and so on)
FTTN will cost more over time but will give people a fair speed faster and then will over time the last mile will be moved to fiber and the cost will be over a longer periord of time were as the FTTH will cos a bit less in the long run but the cost is more now and not realy puting the cost over time and will also tack longer to build if they keep doing it the way the FTTH is/was being done just like with most thing pros/cons and what is worth more time or money
P.S as i said in my last post this is my opinion
With copper wiring still in place if FTTN were to be implemented, we will still be stuck with the huge costs of maintenance (they are massive). Also, the durability of these current wires are expected to be completely unusable in the near future due to the fact that they are a century old. A century! It is a sure fact that there will be a need to remove the copper wires soon regardless. Making the whole FTTN a complete and utter waste of our money.
You also are aware of the approximately $1000 connection cost to merely connect the node to your home?
I just do not see how anyone can even slightly be in favour of FTTN. It's a real head scratcher.
EDIT: My bad. It's estimated to be around $2500 to connect to the node.
1 Billion dollars every year for copper wire maintenance.
Read this Sykrui -
http://theconversation.com/can-australia-afford-the-coalitions-nbn-17494
oh i know how old some of the copper is as some it is wraped in cloth and coted in tar or something like that before plastic came along.
also i do know that FTTN will cost more and the cost it over a longer time were as i said FTTH will cost a bit less in my last post. but i am not for eader one i am for the best one and when i say that i meain how it will be rolled out and the overall cost and speed and witch can be done by the gov compulsory acquisition of the copper network from telstra and useing the conduits/ducts/pits and just pulling out all copper as it will be faster then then haveing to build conduits/ducts/pits. but in the end it needs to be put in to the hands of people who know what they are doing and the poly's need to just piss of :D i just want good net fast and have it being done right and said i said it's down to pros and cons and time vs money
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww#hl=en&q=government+compulsory+acquisition
P.S http://theconversation.com/can-australia-afford-the-coalitions-nbn-17494 good read makes some good and bad points
your an absolute idiot! FTTH will have 1 gigabit down in december which leaves your pathetic FTTN sucking on your mums dick!! As wendel said FTTH is a 100yr infrastructure fibre is capable of more than 1 gigabit! Comparing FTTN and FTTH is basically like comparing dial up to 100mb/s! your clearly someone who is an idiot who voted for that scum coalition so have fun with your ancient tech that is going to cost more in the future u clearly have no idea the capabilities of the real nbn!!
My main reason for wanting FTTH over FTTN is the distance issue. Australia is a BIG country with FUCK ALL IN IT. I have a 20MBPs connection ant out of that i get 5.2MBps - yep it is shit - but the reason is because I live over 6KM away from my exchange. Fibre would remove this issue. Wireless is available - but it is slower and ridiculously expensive.
FYI Logan and Wendell DO know what is happening in Australia and about our situation - the thing YOU dont seem to realise is just how crap and expensive our internet is.
5.2MBps is actually pretty decent for AUS. I get an absolute maximum, best case scenario of 1.9MBps.
People need to stop justifying slow internet speeds. Hong kongs average is 63.3Mbits/s. Average. If someone wants faster they can get faster. As in 300+ faster. The worlds average is 18mbit/s. Australia is well behind. and guess how much faster its increasing each year? 30% faster every year. Singapore has speeds of 44mbit on average. Increasing by 43% a year. And the average person isnt buying faster internet, Its the people who want the fastest internet speeds in their countries that are forcing the average up. A town in New Zealand has 1gbit connection. There are places with 10gbit connections.
The Libs want to keep the old failing infrastructure to save costs. Guess what? to reach a minimum of 25mbit/s speed. You need VDSL. Guess what percentage of the copper infrastructure can support VDSL? 7%. Thats right so to get faster connection, they need to replace 85% of the current copper infrastructure to meet their goal. 85%!!!!! Might as well replace with fiber in the first place... Its cheaper. Pull all the old copper out. 100 year old copper and sell it. The scrap metal value is worth more than the infrastructure.
A good 43% of the current copper network is still covered in cloth and tar. 43% from 100 years ago. Just 12 years ago it was 69%. Thats how fast its failing. a good 50%+ of the current copper needs to be replaced in the next 12 years. There is no good reason to repair the network when there is better alternatives available.
The cost to maintain the fiber network is 1billion a year. Thats 200,000 homes that could get fiber a year.
Even Telstra themselves said a while back that by 2018, the copper wiring needed for the implementation of FTTN would be defunct. It will be obsolete before the completion date?
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/14/1068674351979.html
Let me enlighten a those who don't understand the oxidation properties of copper. Copper wire is fine until the plastic insulation surrounding it is compromised. A single pin-hole in a 10 mile spliced land line of copper can oxidize that entire stretch of cable into a powdery pile of Copper Oxide in as little as a year with nothing more than a tiny bit of moisture in the soil it's laid in.. Copper Oxidizes at a faster rate than any other electro-conductive metal commercially available on the market today.
OMG, can we please keep the discussion in one thread and stop making a new one everyday.
That is the average cost per connection, not a fee charged to the end user.. Which is about 4x the goal Verizon set with its FTTH program.
+1
Well Telstra holds the true power. They do not have to sell their infrastructure and so if they refuse to accept a new contract, then we get FTTP anyway. That or they just decide that we dont need NBN