So I recently found this site and started drooling over a 4K 40 inch plus. After much reading, I am in the market for an IPS as I work with photos a lot.
However, I have an issue (also worried) that dead pixels will spoil the fun. So I went hunting for pixel perfect.
But there are none. No Wasabi Mango UHD420, 430 No Crossover 434K
Even trustworthy AMH409 with VA panel is gone. As is Microboard 40 inch.
Is this just temporary? Can we expect Pixel Perfect back? It sounds like the non-pixel perfect will be shipped with a lesser screen that may have other defects if I'm not wrong?
The catch is I live in Sweden, so not everyone will ship (Amazon for instance). And Green-sum with 1900 dollars for a pixel perfect is rather steep...
Yes, I'm afraid you have missed the bargains. Every 4K display now that will give you 4:4:4 color at 60 Hz has gone up in price. In America, a 40-inch monitor like AMH used to cost $500 to $600; now it costs more than $700. The 42s and 43s have also gone up.
The only 40-inch 4:4:4 60 Hz monitor that still costs less than $600 in America is the Yamakasi. In America, it costs about $550. Of course, it will cost much more in Sweden.
If you're going to spend such big money, you might as well get a Samsung curved 4K 40-inch TV (the 6700). It can give you 4:4:4 when you configure it right.
My advice: Settle for 4:2:2 color at 60 Hz by getting a Seiki SE42UMS or SE42UGT. With the new firmware, lag is not a problem. (See YouTube videos.) In America, the SE42UMS sells for $345 shipped on Amazon, and the SE42UGT sells for about $280 shipped at H.H. Gregg. I just ordered a SE42UGT this morning.
As @marylandusa said, many of them are gone for now. The Yamakasi he mentioned is still at a good price on Ebay but other than that it's just the Seiki ones right now and the others that have had steep price hikes recently as they have gone out of production.
@mtinbox mentioned that he contacted the Ebay seller who was previously selling the AMH A399U and A409U and he said that the successor to the A409U later this month, I am currently expecting to see something pop up on the 20th. If there is another that shows up at that time then I will be buying that one and if not I'll probably be picking up the Yamakasi unless I find out there is something very wrong with it.
Hopefully this spells the rise of 40"+ 4k. IF the price went up, that means either the demand went up, or the supply went down. The supply going down could either be because they are selling so well, or because they are selling so poorly that they stopped making so many. I'm really hoping to see more show up because of the interest that the internet has paid. This <30" 4k nonsense really needs to stop.
If you do photo work.. as in colour accurate stuff, then really don't go with some knock off korean junk, I know a lot of people will tell me they arn't that bad, but seriously you will do so much better with a 27-29 inch ips 10bit colour from a reputable brand. Also these massive panels being shipped from god knows where are almost guaranteed to be damaged or have dead pixels
I've had a 27" 1440 Korean monitor for years and it's been rock steady, no dead pixels, no problem. I bought the very last 43" Microboard and its pixel perfect, worked right out of the box, colors are good, really solid build, no plastic. I really didn't have to do anything. I wouldn't call the Korean stuff junk just because you don't have to spend 2K for a good monitor and its well known where the panels come from. The issue is the limited runs, but that's what you get for $500-$600 dollars. Keep in mind it wasn't too long ago when you paid a premium for monitors and I'm glad this little bit of competition allows me to spend way less than yesteryear. I will agree though, If you plan to do any photo shop professionally, then you'll want to get a professional monitor, but you knew that already. If you are doing video editing, then the Korean will work just as well. In fact I'm thinking about buying about 15-20 of them to replace our large screen TVs in our edit bays at work.
I have two 1440p 27" monitors as well as the A399U. I have been nothing but satisfied with these. No dead pixels. No problems. Color accuracy is very very good. Is it an Asus ProArt? No of course not but side by side they are very close and for your average user they will be more than enough. If you're a pro then of course you should be looking elsewhere but that was a given.
So many people think cheap=bad. It doesn't or at least not always. Those people are simply bitter they spent 2X as much for essentially the same panel....
I've had no issues with my A409. I didn't pay extra for a pixel perfect, because I just use it for programming at work. When I got it, it had a green stuck pixel (which I literally had to use a magnifying glass to see....because i was curious), but I forked it back into shape.
I don't think I'd want to use this for photo work, and I'd probably spring for a proart or ultrasharp if that was my job, but maybe I'm just crazy.
It's a shame that the Wasabi Mangoes didn't stick around for longer at a reasonable price. I don't often rave about products, but I love mine. 42", IPS, 10-bit, 4:4:4, even FreeSync in there for good measure. I use it for photo work all of the time, having used ProArts for years. Here's hoping it doesn't break on me anytime soon.
If it's any consolation, I have to believe that this kind of monitor will be coming to the masses very soon. It's just too good not to. Just keep your eyes open and wait a few months.
Yes it is a shame. I understand that some monitors may be of lesser quality or use panels which are not the best for photo use, but this IPS based on LG makes sense. However, I am not sure if I want to buy something that has anything but pixel perfect, as I get the feeling that the panels used in the non-piexel perfect are discarded from LG as second grade due to bleed or pixel errors?
I hope it does come back. I would have gone for a reputable brand and probably paid the high price for one, only to know it is at the local computer store. But the problem it does not exist apart of the Philips which by now is not just lesser in quality, but based on older technology.
Question to all you AMH folks - it states that the monitor can not be used with laptops or internal GPU - why not? Does this mean that HDMI from a laptop won't display? I'm using peripheral computers to hook up as well occasionally and in PIP mode. Won't this work witha Vaio Laptop or a console?
Not exactly true. I have a laptop, Thinkpad with dp output and it works great. The is another member that did the same and it worked, check the 409 thread.
edit 1 = one thing I try to keep away is hooking too many devices to the monitor; this due to ground loop factor. I activate 1 rig at the time, and very rarely switch from one to another live. I leave auto select on, and turn on the rig I need. It is quite practical to have 3 of these.
I've had bad luck with koreans in the past, my X-star is discoloured and not very vibrant, my Crossover has a dead pixel and colour is off + weird artifacting.
now granted I've had plenty of issues with A+ monitors, such as my Asus with its horrible discolouration, dell ultrasharp with 3 dead pixels and some discolouration.
now I don't really see the reason for koreans since A+ are pretty cheap, just bought a Lg 27MU67 for $585 CAD, which is about $400 US.
that being said it is 27" and 40" is much more expensive.
I am not sure the perfect pixel is a must; got 5 monitors; yet I have noticed 1 dead pixel; and, darn I really have to look for it ! (IMO) edit 1 = would not touch philips with a 10 foot pole !!!! ( I think, as of yet, only 2 people are happy with theirs)
