Is Windows 10 as bad as people say it is?

Speak for yourself. You can't make me care about that no matter how hard you try.

Actually, that was more or less what I was doing. Speaking for 'us', instead of 'me'. Perhaps RMS can explain this better to you.

What makes you think I will even try? You can no more succeed in doing this than make the blind see.

The problem here is that, as The Mentor was trying to convey in The Hacker's Manifesto, and as is reflected in the numerous youtube channels with consumption-addicts thinking buying consumer electronics and 'reviewing' them (which is essentially reading the back of the propaganda packaging) makes them 'geeks' or 'science freaks' -- It does not. It just makes them pawns in corporate capitalism, free advertisers -- going down that road has ended in a generation of 'phone freaks' and 'community geeks' being replaced by 'app developers' and 'penetration testers' -- curious minds and knowledge seekers replaced with free advertisers. Unfortunately, there are no ethical consumers. Burying your head in the sand does not make the truth go away.

That @Logan, @DeusQain and @wendell go beyond that, and try to break things down (reductionism, as we call it in the Science Circles) is the reason we watch The Tek, instead of some random dude reading off of the back of a case/packet. If you block the subtextuality out, then you have defeated the purpose.

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I like Windows 10

Believe it or not X.org has some pretty big security flaws also (except your distro is unlikely to be actively harvesting your data). This is why Linux is SLOWLY transitioning to Mir/Wayland/XWayland, atm there are missing desktop functionality and compatibility issues with older gtk programs that is slowing it all down.

We may see wayland becoming a real replacement later this year or the next, allot of work must be done...

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There is always pros and cons to be said about any OS. Microsoft has always tried to "own" you experience, give you something with a cost. Lower entry price of Win 10 cost you privacy concerns, continually trying to force you to their will , ie Cortana and Edge Requirement. Even giving you the promise of a good browser which Edge could be except they will not allow extensions, so I must use Chrome or FireFox, I can't go with the "EVIL" ad block extensions.

Win 10 as a pure user experience great.. I have used it since beta, but I have a deep romance for Linux, and as I game less and less, I for one need Windows less and less, I am transitioning from RAD web development to more Jquery frameworks, restful and webapi... my dependency on Visual Studio is less. I will most like move to a Linux and VM a windows machine for Work testing and login (MY place of employment is Microsoft product house)

My man rig is really good high I believe system , so I can run any OS.

However I have an old laptop that Flies with Debian 8 and XFCE, but Windows 10 crawled on it, this makes me love Linux more and more. I wish Linux community would Standardize little more, so they could take over or become more of a desktop force.

I don't know when , but one day Linux will rule the desktop or what there is of a desktop market at that time.

Windows 10 can lick my salty nuts. Don't mind me.

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One (of several) chief complaints I have about Windows 10 is it's built in KEY LOGGER! If you don't care about what Microsoft knows about you (and there is often big controversy just in that arrogant/lazy attitude), you should be very concerned about key loggers -- especially when they come from Microsoft and are built right into your OS. I'm pretty sure Logan and Wendel have been through this (and have done what they can to disable all the spying on their systems), but Barnacules has also mentioned some of the Windows 10 shenanigans in his video about disabling Windows 10 spying too. It's very much worth the watch even if you're a Mac head.

As for me, when I am forced to use Windows, I still use old number 7. But for everything else, I'm now onto using Linux (Mint) for my daily driver.

... And for anyone quick to point out the security flaws in Linux, they may want to stop and think about what flaws are intentional versus ones that are not. Because when Linux developers (other than maybe Canonical) discover flaws they correct them -- they don't exploit them like a big mega corporation often would.

Thanks a lot Satya Nadella ("Uncle Bill" Gates' successor and current CEO of Micro$oft). You have driven another long time customer to the competition.

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I personaly dont think that Windows10 will be the last version of Windows.
Simply because it still has way too much problems, aside from the privacy issues.
I think that the idiology of Windows10 being the last official OS ever, will not hold.

I personaly think that we are going to see Windows version based on names again in the future,
just like Apple does.

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Lots of things will need to change for that to happen- don't get me wrong I want to see this happen, but reality and what Linux needs to become (and those who promote it) need some big shifts to entice the general masses to migrate over- simple grit from fans like us will not be the driving force.

For me, once ESXi's experiment with a webUI becomes as good if not better than vSphere Client, I can and will chuck Windows to the curb... that and I need to get a CAC reader to work as well- and that is one of the reasons Linux is not on a path to take over the desktop-- as much as it pains me to say it, Windows has a lot of "it just works" moments, vs. Linux eats up my days just to get simple things sorted, fixed, working etc.

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I dont know why everyone is sooo buthurt over this "Data Collecting" its not like its new. its just the first time they have publicly stated it. windows 7 did the same thing.

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It doesn’t really matter if you think that things like privacy and and anonymity are tin foil hat concerns (I weep for liberty if you do.)

If you use Windows your computer does not belong to you, and from a basic security stance it is remarkably stupid to entrust it with all of the power that your life’s digital information holds. Even more so if you’re a company or business with a responsibility to employees and customers.

You’re talking about a system built on total developer segregation where programmers have no access to anything beyond the interfaces they’re given to work with. Nothing breeds bugs and vulnerabilities as well as that.

The closest you will ever get to a secure system is one built on open and public peer review.

I took the time to configure Windows 10 after install to not use Cortana, and disabled the 'Getting to know me' and improve writing/typing stuff. I've not seen anything being caught by my firewall to suggest those settings are being ignored.

Also remember that telementary doesn't equal personal data but I'd always advise that you read the small print and do some research becuase it might, or you might need to opt in or out to set it right for your own needs.

With regards to telementary type data being used against people there are two recent news articles that spring to mind (neither Windows 10 but relevant since it's telemetary and personal data we are talking about):

  1. Woman proved to be lying about rape claim - her fitbit data used against her: http://fusion.net/story/158292/fitbit-data-just-undermined-a-womans-rape-claim/

  2. Innocent Man arrested on groping charge was identifed by his Oyster card data and CCTV: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435317/Tried-sex-crime-brushed-past-film-star-rush-hour.html I apologise for the Daily Mail link - it's a terrible paper.

The other thing about the second example was that the prosecution were accused by the defence of slowing down the CCTV fottage to try and make it look like the man had time to grope the woman!

So whilst I am personally happy to use Windows 10 (given my own research and configuration) anyone who says they do not care about telemetary type data and refuses to look into it for anything they use needs to open their eyes. You might think youself innocent but one day someone might accuse you of something and the prosecution will try to use your own phone, GPS, car, computer, burgular alarm, or even heating system!? against you.

I think MS have plans to roll out allot of the data mining services and backdoors (and keyloggers) to previous windows versions that remain popular (7/8/8.1).

So I don't think you can truly escape it by just running older windows. You basically need to block your OS from accessing the internet and such, because your never going to be able to keep track of all the updates they do in order to circumvent these measures.

Just gonna wait until that day hackers obtain ALL of Microsoft mined data and it turns into a global disaster once the horrible truth is finally revealed to the world... LMAO

They allready do that.
You have to do a re-search on any kb update that comes out for windows7 and 8.x,
to make sure it does not contain any of that crap.
There are allready several updates which MS claims to be "security" updates,
but turned out to be nothing more then just telemetry tracking or a keylogger.
And that is realy a fishy thing.

To answer the title shortly; Yes, yes it is.

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If you set aside the crappy gui designed by the braindead and then..........
1. Strip ( Cortana/Edge/Onedrive/Customer feedback/The Store/Contact Support ) out of the OS
2. Then Firewall the system and not let anything out that is MS ( of course no more security updates :( )
3. Deny access to any of the stored media you may have
4. Kiss Crossfire and SLI goodbye

It is not half bad :)

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That sounds complicated. How's this?

  1. Strip ( Cortana/Edge/Onedrive/Customer feedback/The Store/Contact Support ) out of the OS
  2. Disable the Wifi and use Windows 10 as a gaming console.
  3. Install Linux on another computer for your internet.

It's a good system if it would have just been content on being a system, but they wanted to be a service. I don't want an Operating Service. I want an Operating SYSTEM. If it didn't have all of this crap on it, I would probably use it. In fact, if they sold it in the stores with all the data mining stripped out, I would buy it. I ran it as my only OS for a week. I loved it except for one thing: I felt like I was reading a newspaper and someone was reading it over my shoulder. It drove me bananas.

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  1. Leave data collection intact.
  2. Use windows for games and reading propaganda.
    2.5 Linux media server for streaming to windows.
  3. Use yourself as bait for tyrant overlords seeking to crush political opposition.
  4. Spend best years of life behind bars, while foreign human rights activists rage.
  5. Get out of jail and become president after tyrant's inevitable downfall.

IDK what you're talking about. Windows is great.

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I had A LOT of issues with explorer crashing or updates breaking the OS (corrupting vital files and stuff like that).

But I feel like that's mostly hardware related now that I've done my upgrade. Most of my old parts were 7+ years old, so maybe there were some compatibility issues, or maybe just the hardware was going bad, who knows? Ever since I've done my hardware overhaul I haven't had any issues. I use a local account instead of using my Live account, turned off location sharing, reporting, etc. during setup. That's all I really care to do in terms of security (other than the normal antivirus, antimalware, etc.).

All I use my Windows comp for is games, porn, school assignments, and simple stuff like that. For any serious business, I use Linux.

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