Is Windows 10 as bad as people say it is?



anyone remember this? there's tons of alarmist bollocks being thrown around over Windows 10,too. if that bothers you, use 7 or Linux. i'm not going to start foaming at the mouth until i have proof of malice.

I can't defend an OS that I setup in some way and then it does what it wants. In Windows 10 you can disable certain tracking options via tools, registry tuning, services or file permissions, but Microsoft has proven that it can reset settings after update install, ignore host file or even ignore local firewall rules. (Hence an outside firewall is ideal)

I don't despise Microsoft, they make great stuff, but this has been a massive shift towards online tracking and data collection that has shaken my confidence in them. This is why in the last couple of years I've been switching to open source projects everywhere I can.

Also, I feel the moral responsibility as a computer geek/professional to not recommend Win10 due to privacy concerns. If a user/friend comes to me asking for opinion or for installation/upgrade to Win10 I try to inform them of the issues, obviously I spend more time and energy on friends and family. But I cannot let it pass, or at least not mention it. Of course if they are aware and even then they want to install it, I help them anyway.

By the way, I cannot stand the people that dismiss privacy as if it were something non important. Let me tell you, in this day an age it is the most important thing we have . If you are not willing to defend it, as others have said, you don't deserve it. But don't worry I will defend it for you. That's my attitude towards friends that are vocal about 'not needing to worry of surveillance because they don't have nothing to hide'... Typical response of a lazy and negligent user. (Case is worse when you know they are tech savvy /facepalm)

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NOw I want to start screaming "PORN PORN PORN MY EX IS TRYING TO MURDER ME PORn..." into my mic

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I was referring to GlassWire actually. And Barnacules was wrong about Windows 10 being able to override the host file. I blocked Bing and I can't connect to it at all. All he had to do is restart the browser after he added bing to the host file. But he didn't so the change wasn't applied yet.

About the hosts file: there have been other reports. Barnacules is not the only one. I remember reading an article/thread at slashdot months ago about this.

Some communications seem to be hardcoded precisely to avoid user blocking.

Like what proof? The tracking systems are pretty obvious. The data mining as well as it is very clearly stated on Win terms of service. None is saying that MS is going to do sth bad with your info, but that it is a dangerous breach of privacy that users cannot easily control at will and that could be exploited by other parties in the future. Plus that it creates a situation that everyone that uses the OS is constantly aware (or unaware which is equally bad) that he is monitored.

so you're saying that, somewhere, somebody, could do something with my data. at some point.
the amount of stress that would cause is retarded, and is partly why i'm not on 10. but if people WANT to use 10, and AREN'T willing to have a mobile phone OS shoehorned into their desktops, with all the ads, spying, and other vague claims of skullduggery, then what's the solution? all i'm hearing is the hysteria. from all i've heard, locking windows 10 down completely is impossible, if you want to connect to the internet in any sense of the word. and until somebody either strongarms Microsoft into patching it in, or somebody hacks around it, windows 10 has those flaws built-in. it comes pre-fucked.
i can either choose to run 10, and be petrified Cortana is going to SWAT me for how i get my music and films, or Microsoft is going to get my bank info and bill me 6.66 for every mp3 i torrent, and i'll go bald raving and ranting and sprain my dick from slapping it on the keyboard when i email Microsoft's CS department.
OR
i can not use the product, and not get an ulcer worrying about it until somebody fixes the original problems.

i'm not into being pressured into what i should be outraged at on any given moment.
i'm not pissed at you, either. it's not you, it's fucking everything these days. politics, culture wars, religion. all screaming "YOU SHOULD BE PISSED AT THIS THING BECAUSE WE SAY IT'S BAD" i'm into deciding what i need to be angry about. and right now, i have no data to form sufficient fucks to spend on what Microsoft may or may not be doing on an OS i don't use.

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They can hear what your saying just from the vibrations on your windows. On google earth you never see political yard signs......why? Those pics go to the secret facility in the midwest. They are everywhere!
So you might as well not worry about it. In the words of an evil computer that almost blew up the world.

"Would you like to play a game?"

Its going to be a sad day when hackers/crime groups finally figure out howto tap in on all this Windows 10 stuff, and it will happen.

Linux X.org also has some major issues but is less targeted, hopefully the new desktop replacement Mir/Wayland will resolve that (I think its still at least a year away from being ready).
ATM I use Windows10 mostly because
A) Fallout4
B) No good AMD drivers for my 390x under Linux yet for 3k-4k gaming performance, lots of promises and work being done by AMD but nothing noteworthy has been released yet IMO

I have Ubuntu 16.04 MATE ready on a SSD to go, once AMD finally figures out howto make good OpenGL drivers (their Vulkan performance seems decent atm, but only preview drivers).

Use Linux. I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread sooner actually. Seriously though, check out http://xubuntu.com or one of the various ubuntu flavors. OpenSUSE works too

And why didnt he had to restart the browser wenn he did the same thing with foo.com?
Windows10 can override the host file.
Next ot that MS owns so manny tracking domains, that it makes pretty much impossible to block them all.

I don't know then. I must have done something more than all those people. I did use a whole bunch of privacy tools and tweaks that are available and GlassWire reports no communications with any of the Microsoft servers except when it's updating.

Oh come on...The solution of using a different product its been referred to on 100 different occasions on this and other threads. The thread is about what is the problem with windows. And people are saying what is the problem (or not) in their opinion. If you already do not use them and you have nothing to add then why are you on this thread anyway...Nobody is asking you to get pissed. How would you go about it?...¨Its bad but i do not care¨?

Here you are actually raving about how much you do not care because you do not use windows anyway for the same reasons everyone else is saying, then you are pissed because for some reason you feel that people are trying to force you to think what you already seem to think and in the previous comment you were requesting proof of it. This is not a opinion measuring contest. Either give something relevant to the discussion or actually behave like you do not care as you pretend.

positing the idea that tinfoil hatting over a extremely nebulous and emotionally provocative concept might be a ill-conceived adventure, is relevant. :)

righto, i'll leave you lot to it, then

I find it being somewhat fine I guess? I personally didn't like it, but it may be because I'm so used to Win7. I've heard that you can use TinyWall to block off the Microsoft's connectivity to your system, but don't quote me on that.

Oh, if only that were true and there was a breach in continuity... sigh

Actually, one would be hard pressed to find a better reason.

And the circlejerk continues :P

Go for it, I am not affiliated with Technet :D

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My main issues coming from OS X are:

Scaling on the desktop is horrible, Apple figured this out ages ago can it be that hard to copy it or do it even better?
Switching audio devices is hit or miss, generally requiring a restart

On the bright side.
Microsoft aren't just letting the UI go stale, OS X whilst nice looking is a bit dated. Full screen start menu wasn't the best idea, but they listened and gave people a choice
Multiple desktop support - at last!
Search is actually pretty decent
Pretty much everything just works
It's fast

Worrying is the tracking, I use Anti-Beacon to block and disable most stuff although I know it is still likely phoning home.

Fix the first two issues and I won't complain at all.

I switched to linux. Microsoft lives in a vm I only roll out to punish.

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I gave you credit :)