Is 13th and 14th Gen crashing confirmed fixed?

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With all the reports of 13th and 14th Gen Intel CPU’s crashing in 2024 it makes me cautious to want to build a new rig, however with the microcode fix released in August has the community confirmed this has actually fixed the problem?

@wendell did a video a few months back showing telemetry data confirmed the high crash rate in these generation of processors, has he done an update confirming the microcode has resulted in a reduction of crashes from that telemetry source?

Have other game developers confirmed in their telemetry data the crash rate has dropped?

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With the problem being degradation it’ll take just as long to confirm the fix as it did to confirm the problem.

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So if the issue is degradation over time, do these generation of processors work fine when new, but slowly degrade over time with instability/crashing increasing?

Is the problem also compounded by people overclocking the CPU’s?

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conversly, the problem is mitigated by underclocking and undervolting, which is why intel claims it doesn’t affect lower-end parts.(it does though afaik, just less so)

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Reading the /r/intel reddit forum, they say another microcode fix is coming out late September… so that doesn’t sound good and people are worried it may drop performance of the CPU futher.

Found link here about that. Intel Will Again Issue Stability Issues in 13th and 14th Gen Core Processors in September Update

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The exact cause of the issue still isn’t 100% known. Excessive voltage seems to play a part but it’s unclear if this just exacerbates a manufacturing defect or if reducing voltage alone is sufficient to completely mitigate the issue for all chips.

Now that the “fix” is out we’ll have to wait and see if CPUs still degrade over a similar time frame, or not.

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Intel 14th-gen stability BIOS update obliterates multicore performance with 23% loss in some benchmarks … lol this is really bad.

I don’t keep up with the PC/desktop hardware news until I build a new rig every few years. But the more I read up the worse this is becoming.

So I was looking at the 14700KF CPU, what is AMD’s equivalent now days?

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That depends on the workload. What type of software do you plan on running that you want good performance with?

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Its just for gaming. Looks like Ryzen 9900X is similarly priced.

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For gaming I’d either go with a 7800X3D or wait for the zen 5 3D cache equivalent to come out.

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My i9-14900k degraded after a couple months. I applied the first microcode patch for it, but it would still segfault when compiling llama.cpp occasionally.

Fortunately, I had paid the extra $$ to microcenter for coverage. They refunded the whole thing and I built a new custom R9 9950X. It’s been very stable and no more worrying “is there a code error, or did the CPU barf”…

I do mixed use Linux development, AI inferencing, workstation stuff, and Windows gaming. If you only want gaming there are lower priced AMD CPUs too.

Good luck and have fun with your new build!

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Yep, just been reading about the X3D too… may as well wait a few months and see what Intel Arrow Lake delivers too.

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+1. Haven’t seen anything to suggest Intel’s been able to free enough engineering bandwidth from its other issues to be likely to put out a vcache competitor soon.

Pretty much all the comparisons around have some degree of confounding due to the Win 11 Zen 3-4-5 fix, Intel’s multiple power profile revisions, and Raptor Lake’s August microcode patch. If you geomean a bunch of Linux workloads and adjust for subsequent Intel changes the 14900K’s only slightly ahead of the 9700X at 65 W TDP.

The 14900K has also the cost risers of a 293-380 W cooling solution, a case that can accommodate it, and the associated power costs. Whereas a well chosen US$ 30 dual tower’s fine for the 88-162 W PPT of AMD’s 65-120 W TDPs.

A near term consideration’s also enough higher spec Raptor Lakes have been getting RMAed that it seems at times that availability’s dropped to zero.

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