Been studying the releases from all 3 companies abit and it really seems like Intel, and NVIDIA has let themselfs become rediculesly segmented by AMD, or is this all a part of some plan to keep AMD in the market. My point is Nvidia releases their flagship at atleast 3 x the price of the AMD non flagship gpu. Intel... well intel just release a cpu which downright competes with their own server grade hardware, at a dumb price....17-1800$ for a desktop cpu, really... Either way Intel and NVIDIA are either paying their marketing departments to much or this is plan to let AMD live. Basicaly from my point of view AMD litterally decapicitated both companies with ZEN, and the RX480. Not to mention their software expansions.
NVIDIA still has their 1060 to annouce, that will likely compete with the RX480. But basically AMD hasn't any high end cards or CPU's so both Intel and NVIDIA are taking advantage by having quite expensive products on launch because they know that when Zen and Vega comes out (6months+ from now) prices will need to come down a fair bit.
Just a glimpse of a future with no competition in these markets (AMD being the only real desktop CPU/GPU competitor to Intel/NVIDIA).
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They do it basically because they can.
Let me remind you, 970 outsells 390, no matter 390 is a better GPU... 960 outsells 380, no matter 380 is a better GPU. Nvidia can do whatever they like, and millions of people will just go and buy it, no matter what.
Intel is different fish, because Intel is the one, that needs AMD. Not Nvidia. If AMD goes under, that will be huge pain for Intel, because they will loose a bunch of cross company patents, such as X86 architecture, originally invented by AMD, so if AMD goes under, intel will suffer most. Nvidia had diversified, or atleast is trying. AMD have CPUs nad GPUs, intel is huge monster of a corporation, Nvidia is trying to push outside the PC market, so far extremely unsuccessful. They are trying to grab as much money as they can, while they can.
What i like is, that Nvidia keeps making questionable decisions, like the poor cooling, the unstable clock speeds, the FU edition debacle... While AMD is quite humble this time around. They use to hype things up, and so far they have only said "RX480 will outperform GTX1080 in DX12 crossfire". Nothing unexpected. All they have said about Zen is "it looks good". Everything else is speculation.
So no. Nobody is retarded and nobody is genius. They just fallow the rules of the market at the moment.
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390 runs hotter, I already had one melt down on me. They also don't overclock whereas the 970 can overclock ALLOT more. I wouldn't call the 390 a better GPU, it has some advantages but also some disadvantages.
PS. I have a 390x atm.
This is in the wrong section.
A pretty grim future at that.
you realize there is really large portion of the market, that will not even attempt...
Out of the box, 390 is a better performing GPU for the price, but let's face it. It is just like the coffee thing. if you ask people what coffe they like, they will say strong thick etc, while drinking milky sugary dirty water, many places in US serve for free, if the cinema is to be believed.
People claim price to performance is the most important factor, and it never is.
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I prefer the 390 and do think it's better card. But if the 970 had 8GB memory then I would have bought that instead, at the time.
PS. However with AMDGPU-PRO Beta2 Linux drivers my 390x has turned out to be a decent card under Linux. But before that driver it was broken under Linux!
Fixed
(Right?)
To the OP in regards to Intel that $1700 processor is not intended as a mass market product its meant for enthusiasts and workstation users who need the raw computational power for commercial needs not for gaming or general computing. Intel is probably not looking to move a massive number of the chips.
In relation to Nvidia and AMD it seems like both companies played to their strengths. Nvidia is know for their top tier graphics cards and AMD is know for being the best price to performance graphics cards in the general population. Both companies this time around look to be playing to their strengths not their weaknesses.
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Yea my point really was that it seems very coordinated that both companies opens up for AMD to segment them to high-end and extremely expensive products left to sell. Theres just no way intel can compete with their 17-1800 dollar CPU against ZEN. And NVIDIA's pricing basically just leaves them with the high rollers who will buy their products, while AMD should scoop up the 80%(or atleast a large part of them) of the gamers with their pricing with their 980ti'ish performance at 1/3rd the price.
just remember 2 things nothing is in the wild from AMD yet and Intel will have Kabby Lake processors out in 2017 shortly after Zen.
Thats true, I believe Intel is just waiting. Even if Zen is going to be two times as good as Intel, for hal the price, many people would still buy Intel CPUs. Furthermore, Intel has the money to close the gap fast if they so desire. Right now, they see no reason to do anything simply because AMD can't really compete in the desktop market anyway.
Of couse AMD's APUs perform rather well, but have you tried buying one of those? If you were to pick up one notebook at random, chances are high that it will be equipped with a Intel CPU...
And the server market is something completely different. I assume in the not to distant future, many servers will run with an ARM CPU.
Concerning the GPUs I think @psycho_666 is right.
Yeah but knowing Nvidia the 1060 and 1050 are still going to b. 310 and 280 USD.
I also laugh WAY TOO HARD at the nvidia conferences. LOOK AT THEEZ DUBSTHEP WUBS WOW MEIN GOTT HOLY MEMEZ. They don't really take anything seriously.
I think Zen is mainly a competitor for the X99 stuff.
AMD in the gpu market, simply made a smart move.
They decided to bring polaris10 gpu´s for the midrange market, and i think that they gonne bank very well on it.
Atleast, rumors said that the RX480 we could expect something arround 390X / GTX980 / R9-Nano performance.
And that for arround $200 to $250,- price bracket.
Well if that is realy true, and this card is realy going to be an interesting one.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmno. I really doubt that. AMD can have as many cores as possible on a chip for desktop but theres a lot of shit intel stuffs in there to spread load around. Hyperthreading, speed stepping, all that extra pile of guff. AMD has one or two items an that list.
Yes thats the main thing.
The mainstream desktop market basicly still doesnt benefit that much from more then 4C/8T or 6C/12T cores mainaly.
And that is where intel has banked on for the last decades, by improving their per core performance, ipc and adding instruction sets and feutures to their cpu´s and chipsets.
But also for intel, they will hit a sealing at some point in time with their current design model.
About AMD zen, there realy isnt mucht to tell yet atall.
But i do expect it to be a huge improvement over what they currently have.
And that is allready a good thing.
If they realy can compete with intel latest architectures, that something only time will tell.
But i´m personaly very skeptical about it, based on AMD´s financial state, and the large mountain they have to climb.
Sure but they could just copy a design like the older comps with FPU's and add another chip in. Or just invent something to do secondary load and an instruction set to talk to it and treat it like a secondary CPU. Something stupid like that.
Well yeah the design of the CMT architecture wasnt that bad exaly.
The only problem is that those chips were basicly server parts, and there for the CMT design was exaly brilliant.
But it was a bit less efficient for the desktop market.