smicro.eu representative said that they will have stock of W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550 in the end of October. So ASRock still produces it, just out of stock.
But I am not sure I will buy it.
smicro.eu representative said that they will have stock of W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550 in the end of October. So ASRock still produces it, just out of stock.
But I am not sure I will buy it.
They are when loaded but they idle much more efficiently, which is probably more relevant for a home server. I have an i3 12100 ITX home server and it’s been working well for me. I do regret getting a consumer Asrock board instead of a W680 one but otherwise I’m happy. Has been running stable for 2 years. My AM5 desktop has been giving me more headaches; issues with S3 sleep, AMDGPU driver issues, USB dropouts, etc. At the moment I just have S3 issues, the rest seems to have been fixed.
Yeah, I know about idle efficiency, but as far as I know it could partly “fixed” by using Ryzen from 8000 series. Under a heat spreader you will see a single die like in mobile chips on which it based, rather than desktop IO + chiplet die combo. So they inherit the similar mobile energy efficiency.
I will probably wait for W880 boards, hope ASRock will show something by the end of year or at CES 2025 (second date probably is more realistic, because Intel didn’t even announce non-K versions of their Arrow Lake lineup and chipsets other than Z890).
i was looking at high end Z890 motherboards and i found this,
it probably is too expensive for OP, but the specs are really interesting
2 x 5.0 X8
2 x 4.0 X4
4 x M.2 (1x 5.0 & 3 x 4.0)
2x TB4 ports
and it even has a 5Gb NIC
Hopefully this is a tease of what is to come with W880 (the ECC enabled chipset), maybe the 3/4 x8 Slot + 2 x M.2 dream motherboard is coming,
i know chipset lanes and the latency will play a part in maximum performance/bandwidth, but i’m sure for alot of amount of people, that is minor.
i know theres is an argument to get EPYC 7002/3 or 8004, but it’s nice to have bursty P cores, an iGPU, low idle power, and higher availability.
In my experience in the UK, finding enterpise motherboards and CPUs can be difficult or stupidly overpriced, then if you go the epyc x ebay route, you basically have to accept there is no warranty, shipping things back to china is pricey.
Thx. It does, and yes, 780€ is a bit over the budget.
The W880 could still make the 1851 the better choice when it comes out.
I wrote 300€, but 550-600€ ia more realistic I can see. Still the AM5 boards are worse than the W680 in terms of the slots, and the W880 will be. On the other hand, it makes more sense to pay a higher price the longer the platform will exist. If the 1851 only is two years. However, the AM5 will likely last to 2026 and Zen 6? While the motherboards are more expensive for AM5, and still they don’t provide much in terms of pcie slots but oversized, OC, RGB and power, that has little value for my use.
IIRC the reason why i chose W680 over am4/5 is quicksync, low idle power, and ECC on consumer AMD isn’t implemented the best, like how Intel does it (unless you get threadripper or epyc), i remember Wendell talking about it in a video, i just can’t remember which one
In terms of LGA 1851 Vs am5, i think CPUs are really strong already 2 CPU generations is okay, you can start with an i5 CPU then move up to i7/9 when you actually need it, i currently have an i5-12600 (6P cores), and it’s enough for all my homelab / home server workloads, and i can still upgrade to i9(which has 8P+16 E cores), which will be a massive increase in performance
Imo what is more important is if the motherboard will support 48/64GB ECC UDIMMs (for up to 192GB /256GB in total) and PCIe lane expansion on the motherboard, another option is going the EPYC 7002, which is coming down in price, but that is if you don’t forsee yourself ever needing high single core performance, like for a gaming Windows VM or something.
What do you mean by this? ECC either works or not, isn’t it? The main caveat in my opinion is that Ryzen 8000 doesn’t support ECC unless you buy Ryzen Pro (which is usually overpriced and not easy to find).
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i dunno if that is the same case for AM5, especially with the introduction of EPYC 4004
depends. Just adjust the power limits down to a degree that is comfortable. Just because Intel ships with 250W peak settings, doesn’t mean you have to stick with it. And with let’s say PPT@125W, both Intel and AMD perform more or less the same. Intel E-cores make that happen, which is why the SKUs with 16 E-cores are so great for servers. Damn cold and cores>clocks.
And I agree on W680, its end of life and you get the troublesome 13th+14th gen CPUs. But W680 really got me considering Intel again. I hope they do a refresh with more board partners. Xeon-D was disappointing and could have been a great alternative. Xeon 6700 starts at 64 E-cores, so very overkill for our stuff. But 16-32 core low-end Xeon 6 could be a good competition vs. AMD 8004 Siena.
Until then I’m in the Ryzen+Epyc 4004 and 8004 camp for home servers. Intel could be something, but can’t really deliver atm.
Yep, I understand. If there will be some stock of W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550 I will seriously consider buying it. The main concern for me is that LGA1700 is probably a dead socket. There are some rumors about Bartlett Lake, but those are just rumors for now.
https://x.com/GPUsAreMagic/status/1850873310285897935
" ARL stuff packed up and ready to be sent back to alza :'-) Honestly, it is a beast of a CPU when the workload isn’t constrained by memory latecy, but for desktop uses that is the case more often than not. The high-load power efficiency also isn’t amazing, but not bad either. 1/2
If anything, these will make for absolutely amazing NAS boxes once W880 with ECC support is out and the firmware/software is a bit more mature, albeit not cheap.
You’re not getting better idle and low-load power consumption with this much PCIe anywhere else.
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HUB also said the 245K is on par with the AMD in power and performance, less so in games.
I think I give a few more months and see where it ends up with the non-k parts.
European Anafra got some supplier stock of W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550, maybe someone was also interested: ASRock - W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550 | smicro.eu
I ordered one, they said shipping expected during 2-3 weeks. Also seems like they have US branch: ASRock - W680D4ID-2T/G5/X550 | anafrashop.com
ASRock Rack prepared their new crazy chipset-less board. Now in mATX form-factor: https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=EPYC4000D4U
Also noticed chipset is listed as KNOLL3 X600 rather than X300. Probably this is why it’s more flexible than their AM5 deep mini-ITX boards. You can use PCIe x16 slot in x8 mode, populate 2 M.2 slots and still get MCIO1 with full x8 lines.
All of them will be raw CPU PCIe 5.0 lines so no any problems with passthough.