Wendell's video-tutorials are mainly centred on not only 'easing' people into using Linux, but on providing the option of utilising another OS should the need arise. It's about 'horses for courses' in relation to Linux or Windows utilisation.
I'll be using Windows for a while yet, but for me, Wendell courtesy of his video-tutorials, has removed the 'mystique' associated with Linux.
you wouldn't catch wine on my metal. but that's just me. i run a kvm server. again that's me.
imo the original proposition is a valid one. the talk about open standards to me takes away from the position that they are two different animals and Linux/UNIX OSes should be approached in a way that addresses them as they are and not something they are not in proper context. that context being, how does one use this thing?
granted the linux vs unix or linux vs other debate can be framed in an open vs closed narrative, but this conversation gets into an ideological area that does have technical solutions as was pointed out, but it can be a digression. it is an important conversation, but back to the point or the one that i am attracted to is that, learning linux is learning the command line in bash, tcsh or zsh as well as proper ways to develop style in scripting and use of conf files. gnome and kde are themselves operating environments.
there is nothing wrong with running a VM in either platform and for some I might advise to run cygwin instead of virtualbox in windows 8.1 or i might say hyper v and centos in server 2012 or run a linux kvm server. i'm not a zealot.
it does "appear" albeit not by design that it's sort of a bait to show how linux runs windows apps up front. again it's not a bad thing, it just seems to be a, "but why would you want to" and i think the OP as well as myself are worried about some misunderstandings on what linux is perceived as... i could be wrong, but i'm not perfect, nor do i want to be. i'm old school and that is just how i roll. i read these videos are what the community wanted and that's good that it was delivered and i found them to be great videos.
I totally see both points and they need not interrupt the other and it is not a contest. i think there is a way to convey the message that, "this is what this does" and "this is what that does". i sure don't see the love for console games here and this could be a good analogy. probably not.. but i care not which is gamed on... i know i have my preference and it's old so i don't need 1000 dollar graphics cards. but some do and hang fire, have a jolly good time doing so.
I don't think it is insane for people to have the mindset that OP has regarding talking about alternatives and not talking about Windows virtualization. At the same time I don't think it is practical or even reasonable to focus solely on the alternatives and not mention the virtualization (and etc) options for Windows apps. I think trying to balance that is the best way to do it but I also understand how insanely hard that could be.
I stopped watching TekSyndicate a LONG time ago when the Linux bashing/mocking from Logan became just unbearable. He was never malicious but it was just something I couldn't stand after a while.
I heard that you guys started TekLinux and immediately thought "oh great, what now" because I did not expect Logan to give it a reasonable try. I now see that you guys are advocating for it and doing so very well so I am very happy to see that, I'm even now back to watching TekSyndicate content (mostly just the TekLinux stuff though)
My point is while I disagree with a LOT of what you guys have said about Linux, I also agree with just as much and appreciate ANY effort to advocate for Linux. I appreciate the effort you are doing regardless of how we differ in opinions.
I just think that you shouldn't dismiss this suggestion while it is a bit over the top I would prefer that it be considered as a segment or something rather than dismissing it.
All of your points are very interesting and I did not expect to get a history lesson from your post but it was very cool and I didn't know about the Solaris compatibility stuff so thanks for that. However, those don't negate the request of also talking about alternatives.
Alternatives and Windows possibilities should get equal attention but of course that is much easier said than done.
Also I have to be that guy, WINE Is Not Emulation. :) - I like to call it a "Windows Compatibility Layer".
Anyway, thanks for starting TekLinux and best of luck on the channel. (but please consider what you are saying next time, the Linux Community Sucks video was flawed for so many reasons but probably not what you expect the reason to be, here is my comment about that
I think this might be a bit broken and weird of how I structured this but I took some pain pills for my back and I feel a bit weird so sorry about that. :)
I don't think there is anything wrong with it. A main reason many people don't use Linux in the first place is simply because they can't play their games or use their software, which they used on Windows. Development for Windows is FARRR greater than Linux. If people want Linux as there main platform, then they need their favorite software to be compatible or else it's a deal breaker and they will simply stick to using Windows.
Honestly, I enjoy the videos. I was around a huge linux fanboy a long time ago (1999) and he was trying to push me into linux then. The biggest hang up was the lack of gaming support along with support for programs I was using at the time.
It's come a long way, but, the more things change, the more they stay the same. To this day, I continue to use Windows over linux just for the gaming support, driver support and legacy support. And in the corporate space, not having legacy support for excel is just terrible. At least with the vm's, there's a shot that I'll give linux another go. But hey, that's just me.
I just run Office 2010 in Wine.
Runs great.
office 2010 in wine or virtual box window7 or hell even XP if your a sadist. its no more complicated than inserting the old disc itself and hitting install...
This is a non argument.
As for the 90% of the 40% ? of the rest of humanity who are lucky enough to have clean drinking water and the internet , they are already using their device to the fullest they need with 'apps' that are available across all platforms
That said, Linux REALLY needs AMD to sort out their drivers about NOW and Eyefinity / NV surround and 3D driver support is extremely welcome
Reading some of these comments is making me NOT want to install linux :(
Then Don't. It has been pointed out on numerous forum threads and the Tek videos themselves that nobody is forcing anyone or guilt tripping / mocking for not doing so.
That said. Do people honestly feel that the only good thing about PC is in the building of the hardware ? By some mixed up logic everyone forced onto one pre-built OS is the same as Every PC enthusiast and gamer being forced onto only owning an Alien Ware machine.
If the hardware is customised and user built then why shouldn’t the system builder create and mod the operating system in the same way
No matter what opinions have been thrown out there i just want to remind everyone that @wendell and @zoltan both agreed on something. This is literally a non argument now.
Haha, April fools... lolz
What they need to do is show how to do it under Linux, and then for things that are IMPOSSIBLE to mimic (like Adobe CC and the other little odds and ends like that) they should say "Just run it in a VM". I also think they should show a lot of the really nifty stuff that Linux will do out of the box that Windows just won't do (like using multiple desktop environments on the same PC, that's great for a laptop that is sometimes on a desk with a monitor and sometimes on the go)
What it comes down to is that, in it's current state, Linux cannot replace Windows completely. BUT, like @wendell said in the video, the more people start using it, the more developers will have motivation to make something happen, and the better Linux will get. So if we ease people into the cool parts of Linux, we'll end up with a lot of people saying "Man, I love Linux, I'd nuke my Windows install completely if it wasn't for list of programs not running under Linux! COME ON DEVELOPERS LETS SEE list of programs SUPPORT ON LINUX!" and EVENTUALLY it'll happen.
I dunno I use Linux because I like Unix. Open source isn't my main concern.
But really people need an migration path while switching. "Just use something else" isn't a smooth transition. The means justify the ends in my opinion.
Wow that is really interesting! Do you have a source for that?
Well I believe the main reason why "normal", non tech enthusiastic people don't use Linux is because they are not aware of its existence. I have experienced this with a lot of people when I ask them if they know what Linux is. They just have no idea what it is.
which in some ways means its doing its job right
Just copy-pasted the first one that popped up on ddg.gg !g search...
+1
Android based operating systems of all kinds are often so user friendly (mostly because the open source base allows for really free development of all kinds of simple and reliable solutions), that people don't even notice them. It's one of the strong points of linux and open source.
I was looking forward to reading @k0unit 's reply to wendell's post explaining the thought process behind it... alas none so far :(
