Hey I'm going to buy a new PC within a month or so and I need advice on some questions as I'm building my first custom PC.
Q1. I have the option to buy ivy, haswell or the fx Cpu but the problem is that when I think of buying the fx one, I start thinking about upgrading, since fx doesen't have anything better than the 8350 and It also doesen't have PCI Gen 3.0 do you think it is still better than the two?
Q2. When I think of the ivy, everyone or at least someone says that "it is a dead socket" or "Haswell is just better than ivy think of it" , do you think it is wise choosing ivy over haswell?
Q3.Haswell comes last in my mind as I don't really have a budget for a good heatsink or a radiator and I'm just buying a Hyper 212 and in most of the videos of Tek Syndicate , Logan says that its really hot when overclocking, so do u think it would be wise buying a haswell with a hyper 212 and could it overclock to at least 4.2ghz with overheating?
MY PLANNED BUILD-CPU- either of the three cpu's, MOBO- for amd- M5A 990fx R2.0,1155-asus z77m pro, 1150-asus z87-A (I'm not a asus fan its just that im getting good deals on these boards), RAM- 8gb corsair vengence 1600mhz , HDD- 1tb wd blue, gpu- HD 7870, PSU- CX 600, Monitor- LG 22 inch, COOLER- Hyper 212
Gaming? Intel is probably your best choice but it ends up being about $100 than AMD and the performance of the two are so similar that if you're aiming for a budget the 8350 may be your best bet (maybe even a 6200 or 4200).
Anything else other than games? I would personally go AMD.
Overclocking? Don't bother. Unless you genuinely require extra processing speed or are messing around with liquids you shouldn't really do anything, all modern CPUs are more than powerful enough for games. Heck, even an i3 is decent for games honestly.
However, if you wish to overclock you can, but I doubt it would be a good idea to go over 4.5GHz.
I would go with the FX 8350. Well it does not have PCI 3.0 it relly don't matter as nothing, not even dual GPU cards can starrate PCI 2.0. AMD also has been useing the same socket for years, so any future CPU upgrades should be easy. And those extra cores may come in handy, as the next gen consoles will have 8 core AMD chips.
A1. I'd go with the FX cpu. Why? It performs just as good if not better than a 3570K in most cases and is less expensive. Another reason is that PCI-E 3.0 is not even a reason to upgrade since current gen cards haven't even reached the limit of what PCI-E 2.0 is capable of. It's a moot point.
A2. AMD is less expensive and according to the plethora of benchmarks, performs just as good as equally priced (sometimes more expensive) Intel chips. If you have the money for it? Sure go Intel but only if you are getting an i7 (Basically you are willing to spend more than $200 or else it's not worth it, just get AMD). Performance will not be that impressive in comparison so just save the money and get the FX.
A3. Haswell is notoriously hot. This is due to poor quality thermal paste between the actual CPU and the lid. Many owners have had to open their chips, re-apply thermal paste. However the chips do become quite good after this mod (the risk of breaking your part is very high and I don't recommend it). Price? Not worth it in my opinion.
PCI-E 3.0 is a non issue as it isn't even going to provide any usable performance boost to you yet.
i5 3570K can't beat the FX-3850 when it comes to all around performance and pricing.
Haswell runs extremely hot unless you are willing to void warranty and open it.
Q1 - Don't worry to much about about upgrade path. Most people will never upgrade their CPU, besides with your choices there will be no need. Go Intel, Haswell if you can, the 4670k is very good...And if you must, later you can upgrade to the 4770k.
Q2 - Haswell is the way to go, it is far superior to Ivy. In gaming the gains to Ivy will be minimum, but in productivity, specially video editing, and CAD, they are massive...Beside, you get a much better package (mobos, software, UEFI, RAM controller), and a much improved overall performance, and efficiency.
Q3 - There are many myths going around, spread by fanboys, that are fallacies. The heat efficiency of the Haswell chip is far superior then what is sometimes erroneously claimed by people with agendas, that have no shame in misleading others. Read all reviews from all reputable sites, you will see Haswell has no temperature issues. The Hyper 212 is enough for the 4670k, besides you can always add another fan to it, if need be. The 4670K should be first on your mind, you will thank yourself later. But, if your budget can't cope with Haswell, the 3570K is a good solution.
At this point of time PCI 3.0 really doesn't matter.
Intel generally is going to be more powerful if you plan on overclocking because a lot of software only optimizes up to 2 cores and intel has a more efficient architecture. However, ever since ivy bridge, intel uses a cruddy thermal compound instead of fluxless solder for the heat, so expect ~4.2Ghz OC with Ivy bridge, and ~3.8Ghz with Haswell. (compare to ~4.8Ghz sandy bridge.) Each generation past sandybridge isn't much of a performace bump from sandybridge if you OC with air cooling.
If you only care about pc gaming, then the fx series would be a good option because most games won't tax your cpu much, and you could put more money on the video card.
If you plan on using Dolphin emulator for wii games, OC'd intel is a must if you want to emulate in LLE. Also, if you care on other things like virtualization, and productive software, then intel may be the better option.
Sorry, I forgot to add that Haswell and ivy bridge are the best for video editing (eg quick-sync), epecially haswell. So haswell and ivybridge are a performance bump from sandybridge in video editing.
Thanks a lot guys for your help and advices I think I would go with the fx as the majority says, reason being that I'm mainly going to do gaming and editing is just occasionaly and if I go with the fx I can even buy a gtx 760 or gtx 660 ti maybe cuz AMD in my country is cheap so I think that in the End I will go with AMD and if I feel like upgrading in some years then maybe I'll switch to intel with an i7. I guess that's the right decision , thanks once again :D