I need help choosing an OS. I'm stuck between mouse input lag and completely unethical corporate practices

Would helpful advice be accepted, or has this gone far enough off the rails that there’s no hope?

If there’s one thing I really, really miss on wayland, it’s xrandr and similar tools. Having to do stuff in grub or just screw off (ssh in and turn off the monitor? LOL forget it) kinda sucks.

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L1 uses Nobara (a mod of Fedora).

I can’t comment on gaming performance, but also use Fedora for personal browsing + development. The most annoying aspect is doing system upgrades as I somehow run out of disk space. I keep windows to play games with friends and not worry about game compatibility

I thought the gnome project was separate from canonical i guess if you consider the advisory board to be ownership that’s technically true

If that’s not the case, why not use KDE with Fedora or Arch?

Fedora is a community version of RHEL run by redhat who is owned by ibm. If you don’t like how redhat handled centos

When windows 10 goes eol, I might switch to either nobara or steam os.

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Somewhere I read that PS/2 connections are still lower latency than USB, so you should totally get a PS/2 keyboard and mouse! :slight_smile:

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This is something I saw on reddit about 5 years ago and I’m just going to drop it here:

VERSIONS OF SOFTWARE USED + HARDWARE USED :
SOFTWARE :
Windows 10 1809(17763.615) on NVIDIA 430.53
Linux 5.1.14 on NVIDIA 430.26(Mageia 7)
    Cinnamon 4.0.10
    KDE Plasma 5.15.4
    GNOME 3.32.0
    IceWM 1.5.4
    Enlightenment 0.22.4-4
    LXDE 7
Everything on X11. The ingame framerate was roughly the same on both Windows and Linux.(approx. 280FPS)
Linux was launched with the "make-linux-fast-again.com" kernel options. Windows had the spectre/whatever patches disabled.

HARDWARE :
I9-9900k on MSI Z390 motherboard with NVIDIA Geforce 980ti
Logitech G603(Wireless 1ms with the 1000hz mode)
Samsung C24FG70(144hz 1ms VA)
Samsung S9+(240FPS recording)
Windows fullcreen windowed
38.3333ms, 33.3333ms, 45.8333ms, 37.5ms

Windows fullscreen exclusive
24.5833ms, 20.8333, 29.1667ms, 25ms

Cinnamon
88.3333ms, 79.1667, 91.6667ms, 91.6667ms 

Enlightenment
30.8333ms, 20.8333ms, 41.6667ms, 33.3333ms

GNOME 
29.1667ms, 20.8333ms, 50ms, 33.3333ms

IceWM 
25.8333ms, 20.8333ms, 33.3333ms, 25ms

KDE no composition
28.75ms, 20.8333, 37.5ms, 29.1667ms

KDE forced composition
45ms, 33.3333ms, 54.1667ms, 45.8333ms

KDE (no composition, no nvidia allow vblank sync) 
27.9167ms, 20.8333ms, 33.3333ms, 33.3333ms

LXDE
28.75ms, 20.8333ms, 37.5ms, 25ms

Note : the third KDE test is with the option in the NVIDIA control panel "allow sync to v-blank" disabled, but it appears that it did nothing.


A lot of this might no longer be true, especially with regards to KDE - I dont know how HDR will affect latency/responsiveness - if it will ever at all.

Wayland is also being pushed heavily, X11 is very much dead end and I would not suggest lingering in that technology for longer than needed simply because its very developers abandoned it for being ancient at this point. Yes X11 works for you right now but when (not if, see systemd) Debian EOLs finally retires X11, everyone with practicality in mind will also move on and your knowledge with tweaks with X11 will be rendered useless.

This is a recurring theme with the Linux community as a lot of devs are greying out and would no longer want to learn and just want to yell at the clouds.

There’s always TempleOS…

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Please note that a lot of boards have no native PS2 controller anymore and use an integrated PS2 > USB converter, so I dunno if you can get better latency this way.

I believe it is because PS2 gives an interrupt on input. An 8000hz usb connection will probably be faster or just as fast.

My 2 cents - there are not that much variants of (Desktop) Linux distributions. It boils down to Arch, Debian, Fedora among 2 or three others I haven’t used yet. I chose them or their “upstream versions” on my use case (stability, maintenance, actuality, user friendliness, HW support). I consider having the choice as a great plus. Should a project go tits up or should I have a falling out, I still have plenty of alternatives to choose from.

Ugh, I feel your frustration! It sounds like you’re having a tough time with technology. Let’s break down your post into smaller problems so we can tackle them one by one.

“Cannot go to Linux , all I know is Windows for over 20.”

Linux isn’t Windows or Mac; it’s its own thing! If you don’t know it, you’ll need to learn :roll_eyes:. You mention 20 years on Windows—that puts you in your 30s, right? I bet you can still learn new things pretty quickly. Linux isn’t that different. Once you grasp the basic differences, you’ll intuit the rest easily, and I guarantee you’ll be thinking “I done it wrong for so long?”

“I cannot stand the lack of instructions and help or direction.”

Sorry to hear you haven’t found the help you need. I always managed to find what I was looking for. Maybe some distros are better than others? Google searches aren’t quite what they ben, or maybe you’re not asking in the right way (remember, be polite! No one gets paid to help you, and being angry won’t get you anywhere).

“Windows doesn’t let you just be a personal computer user”

I feel you! Windows is bloated with stuff I think is designed to mess with you. That’s why I ditched it years ago when XP became end of life. I haven’t had Windows on any of my machines, even at work :smirk. You’re doing the right thing; you’ll be glad you made the switch soon!

"Crap Windows optimizations”

Windows doesn’t get optimized; it gets slower. It feels like a malicious way to force you to buy new hardware from Microsoft partners and more tracking slows things down further.

“Some pathetic 5-50GB limit”

Here’s a secret :shushing_face: shushing face Business broadband doesn’t have those limits! You might need to be creative when signing up . I don’t know where you are in the world, but here in the UK, it’s often cheaper to be self-employed :wink: and get faster speeds with out artificial limits. Plus, you usually get business-class hardware, which is way better.

“Linux is retarded because it’s been 20 years and they have gotten absolutely nowhere basically(that’s why people distro hop)”

I don’t even know where to start with this :thinking:. That’s just not true! Linux desktops are at a point where 90% of PC users could do 99% of their tasks on it. They don’t because they don’t want to change, and learning something new can be tough (that’s what you’re experiencing right now!).

Remember, Linux is the kernel—the underlying plumbing. Distros are just different preconfigured sets of software on top of it. People distro hop because they can! Try distro hopping on Windows :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:. It’s mostly about exploration or looking for better hardware or software support that comes with newer kernels. It sounds like games are important to you; I’d recommend a distro designed for gamers. Look for something based on Fedora or Arch you need something bleeding edge for your new hardware.

“They need to scrap windows, scrap unix, get rid of all that bullshit and make a real god damn personal desktop computer.”

It’s already here! Check out TempleOS :scream: Terry with good help made it so close to bear metal that games have no latency at all :face_with_hand_over_mouth:. @deimosian

“Corporations and government, do me a favor and SHOVE IT.”

+1 brother.

P.S.: PopOS is not updated much. System76 is busy working on a shiny new desktop—very exciting.

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I can appreciate and completely relate to the rant. The good ole days of Win XP and Win 7 are gone. To be fair, even these operating systems had their fair share of issues but frankly I haven’t seen much of an improvement in Windoze ever since they FIRST decided to become a tablet OS. Since then it has all been compromise after compromise and anything in the way of security is largely established for the welfare of the gate keeper and hardly to the benefit of the end user.

One of my pet peeves is the Consortium backed move to TPM2 which, IMO, is merely a pompous push for obsoletion to make shareholders happy. TPM has been around for well over a decade now and they still keep patching it up as security keys continue to get stolen and corrupted. This is only one example of how the corporate BIG BOYS put the needs of the domestic end user last.

I could go on but I spare the reader. A good long rant can be healthy but other than providing a little stress relief it solves nothing. I’ve only been using Windows for about a quarter century or so and one of my biggest complaints is that it never seems to let me use it along side Linux in a multi-boot configuration. Sooner or later WINDOZE will find a way to destroy my boot strap to Linux — even when all operating systems are isolated to individual drives. This is hardly accidental and TPM2 doesn’t help matters either.

The good thing about Linux is that it provides a stable skeleton OS that you can build upon hence eliminating the garbage that so many of us are all too familiar with when we resort to Windows operating systems. Alas there are many good apps/programs that work with Windows and only Windows and so the conflict continues for those who want the best of both worlds.

The sad part of it is that no big company will commit to building a bullet proof PERSONAL desktop (PC) because there’s no money in it. A PC like that could last 20 years. It would be compliant with most apps, would rarely ever crash, provide the end user with all the security options they need, and could easily be tailored to their own end user preferences. Only Linux comes close to this and given where the Linux Foundation is going these days I’d say don’t hold your breath. It ain’t gonna happen.

The best that we can do as psuedo-normie end users is to roll with the punches and bow before the whims of the Consortium that calls the shots. Meh, it’s a hard knock life. :sunglasses:

In a multiboot configuration, the EFI partition is shared—but Windows likes to monopolize it nonetheless, of course. Thankfully this can be easily fixed if you have access to a live medium (preferably of the same distro installed on your computer) by reinstalling boot loader and EFI boot entry.

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Or if you’re lucky just install windows on its own drive, where it can eat all the paste it wants :smiling_face: