I do think that logan is a bit bias on the spying thing

sorry, i knew that terrorism would had been a bad word of choice but, it was the only word that i knew

but the meaning of terrorism that i was using was that for :[any types of organized civil disobedience that consequence in breaking the law]

u would get alot more destructive protests, and your average gang.

it only stops 3-4ppl in a town from initiating such actions, but even them out in the world, that's a lot, and not to mention, once started, alot more people would join

With all the typos, either this is an obvious troll, or he is genuinely stupid. Socialpathic? Really?

This thread is only going to derail itself if the users involved do it. We are the forum, and we are here to discuss, not derail.



“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" 

You used the word terrorism like Fox news uses the word terrorism. If someone walks up to someone on the street in NY and slaps them it's terrorism to Fox news. 

Like that bitch is an example ,spends 30 billion in futebol stadiums and has people in hospitals on the floor and no education, favelas and i can go on and on ,and not to mention that if you steal on orange they just take in the alley and shoot you in the head ,the words are right but it´s just an act .


Ben Franklin

Pro tip; look how Brazil has evolved in the last 30 years ;)

Isn't part of the whole problem with the Alphabet agencies that they make themselves more important than they really are, and are prepared to deliver "services" that are not part of their democratically assigned mission?

I believe that intelligence agencies are a good thing, but please... cobbler, stick to thy last!

Citizens don't take enough responsibility in the matter in my opinion. They are too easily scared off, or just prefer getting entertained to sleep.

Freedom of expression is a constitutive part of liberty, and without liberty, there can be no humanity.

In my opinion, this is non-negotiable, and it's the duty of the political world, to make sure that the fundamental rights are guaranteed at all time. The willingness of a political caste to compromise on fundamental rights, ALWAYS ends in death and destruction, that has been like that for the last 4000 years, and there is no scientific credible evidence that that would change any time soon.

People just have to learn to respect each other for what they are, because there is no other option, and some people want more than others, and are willing to hurt others to get that. That is when healthy competition becomes unhealthy war and oppression, and humanity suffers a setback or gets put on hold.

The alphabet agencies should protect the very rights they are violating. They were created to guarantee those very rights. That's the thing that's most disgusting! Let's not discuss how alphabet agencies should or shouldn't do this or that... let's talk about why they were created in the first place... what democratic mandate have they got... their explicit mission is to guarantee the fundamental democratic values in the face of threats... so what are they spying on the voters that have given them their mandate for... this just doesn't make any sense at all!

Sorry but i think we have our priorities way of ,with the health system in the freaking planet going to shit and the education (no comment),and the problem is:  wait ,remind me again how many people die a year from terrorism , what's the budget to the nsa and pentagon ???!!!this discussion should not even have started that's my opinion i'm sorry ,they would starve us just to protect the rich from "terrorism".Terrorism is a tactic how the fuck to you go to war with a tactic ??!!!the one that wrote the quote above was a terrorist for the english .

Every country that acts like america the government should resign and new elections take place and that's is it my friend's ,the cancer must be taken from the root ,i don't like politics neither but to change what is we don't have other choice but to let our voice get heard that way or find another solution .

"When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor." John Lennon

let's talk about why they were created in the first place

Well the agencies jobs are to protect the nations, this is understandable and acceptable. However if the agencies get out of control the end result is a militaristic dictatorship. Afterall, if all you got is a hammer then everything looks like a nail


Pro tip lol , dummy it evolved for who ??!!!who is rich with so called "evolvement" i don't need you pro tips about world views ,they are very flaud .

no... i just didn't knew another word for it, 



you are very right, and we all should ban cars first because "it can cause child death"

but on a serious note, i do think that the whole privacy thing should be much lower in our list of priorities to change, more people dies from car crashes than people in war (i think)

GOOD QUOTE!! *claps*

i think they might be harvesting the data, and they are doing work, but work that is to prevent change (maybe?)

cuz admit it, no system in the world currently likes change, because it would just be replaced!

First facebook, then backdoor on skype to geo-locations on iphones. For those who want their own privacy might have to not use those services or circumvent them. I remember back in the day I used to block google analytics and use yahoo or a different search engine and adblock like crazy. Nowadays I just don't care.