that is a misleading title; it should be something more about how the multitasking timeslice doesn’t increase after 8.
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There is always old stuff in the code…might still be necessary but could also be obsolete or just relevant for legacy hardware. I’m not a kernel hacker but I know my scaling on cores is pretty much linear in any system I own.
From any major OS, Linux has proven to keep up with all core counts…even FreeBSD had some hiccups and Windows is always troublesome in this aspect and also had licensing paywalls for higher core counts.
Which may or may not be a problem. Sounds like that’s for scheduling more processes on the same core. Which kinda gets less relevant with increasing core counts.
And catchy titles make for good clickbait. So this title makes sense…although not necessarily constructive.
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Recent AMD desktop have 32 threads, recent AMD servers have 128 threads per CPU and often have multiple physical CPUs.
Desktop yes, for servers, the author may want to update his data.
Official comments in the code says it’s scaling with log2(1+cores) but it doesn’t.
All the comments in the code are incorrect.
Official documentation and man pages are incorrect.
Every blog article, stack overflow answer and guide ever published about the scheduler is incorrect.
While not impossible, I find this unlikely.
I’m not sure why the author suggests that this was added by an accident. 8U in this case is just a fancy(ier) way of writing 8. If they dig further, they would found this context from Linux mailing list:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/9/153
Which suggests this 8 limit was deliberate:
Based on Peter Zijlstras patch suggestion this enables recalculation of the scheduler tunables in response of a change in the number of cpus. It also adds a max of eight cpus that are considered in that scaling.
The first patch even has a bug that it uses max instead of min (which quickly pointed out).
The original context is in this thread:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/11/26/271
Peter Zijlstra: […] Aside from that, we probably should put an upper limit in place, as I guess large cpu count machines get silly large values.
Christian Ehrhardt: […] I agree to that, but in the code is already an upper limit of 200.000.000 - well we might discuss if that is too low/high.
Peter Zijlstra: Yeah, I think we should cap it around the 8-16 CPUs.
So this was very intentional, and even without this limit, higher core count CPUs would hit the upper limit anyway.
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I’m not sure it stops after 8 cores, but maybe the scheduling fails to allocate well?
just started a render on my desktop machine, while watching YT
the cores don;t all hit 100% though, so there is probably something being held back somewhere
after a bit, settling down to 70%
I can fill all cores with work, so it’s definitely not a case of “wasting all cores after the 8th”
Is it optimal? No idea.
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ohhhhhhhhhhhh
74.0 on my 12 core Ryzen with y-cruncher
System stays responsive but less snappy. I could need some of the cores you got (and some memory channels) 
Surprise, surprise! Hardlocked scaling limits would have been so obvious even 20 years ago. The only non-linear scaling I noticed was on the hardware side of things. And benchmarks tell me exactly that.
The problem we are having are the applications that don’t scale…I even remember a video from Wendell having to start multiple instances to hit the amount of threads provided by CPU and Linux.
AMD and Intel invest a whole lot into kernel development…they don’t want bad numbers or bottlenecks for their new flagships.
P.S.: Nice 56-core machine. 8x64GB RDIMMs?
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Not only that, Peter Zijlstra (the main person behind Linux scheduler), works for Intel. I’m sure if it couldn’t scale beyond 8 cores it’ll be fixed very quickly.
Yup, even though I don’t need this much RAM 
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Isn’t there a mixup between kernel threads being limited to 8 as apposed to user threads where we can all agree Linux uses all available CPU/threads easily (as shown in some of the responses here).
Okay, looking at HN comments, I get the impression that scaling tops at 8 cores by design, because further than that, the workload does not need to be sliced further/scaled, because the resources are not as contended, and there is more room for more tasks; the system does not have to keep stopping individual tasks to fairly free up threads?
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At work, we are running servers with 4 sockets that each have 26 CPU cores with hyperthreading. That gives us, 4262 = 208 CPU threads which makes looking at htop, umm, difficult on a small screen. However, it definitely reports us maxing out all the threads on our heaviest loads. We often have 40 individual users on a server each running their own builds. Oh, and these systems have 3 TB of DDR4 RAM.
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I have not read the article, but is that 8 logical cores, or 8 full cores?
Very untrue. I have 32 core/64 thread processor and all cores are used when i use ffmpeg or hand brake
Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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A concept I not only submit to for DRAM and contraceptives but also for less important things in life.
You just don’t want to run out of certain things…because if you need them, you really need them.
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I like how you listed DRAM first.
Bravo 
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