Is someone able to build a pc that can run windows 7 with Microsoft office 2013 and browse websites fast (I already have software,keyboard and screen), it needs to include a ssd and my budget is 250 € from these websites: http://www.Afuture.nl / http://www.komplett.be
the case can be butt ugly, no hdd is required, no expensive gpu because no gaming and I'm guessing 4 GB ram is the norm nowadays.
You sure you have the software, remember LEGALLY you must have a license for each computer (some licenses cover multiple installs) in the region of £110 for Office (even the student version) and Win 7 is about £100. So £210 just in software why not use OpenOffice (Free) and some flavour of Linux (say Mint).
OpenOffice will cope with DocX files so is 100% compatible with Word Linux distros are free (Have heard the old line "Linux is free if your time is worth nothing" but a lot of people are time rich money poor).
If it's just to run an office suite and surf two megs is plenty.
Why an SSD? if money is so tight why not a HDD?
Antec VP350P - 350 Watt psu 40 euro's http://bit.ly/1o8IxyG (psu)
Antec VSK-3000E 27 euro's http://bit.ly/1fWEIZ5 (case)
AMD A series A6-6400K - 3.9GHz 55 euro's http://bit.ly/1mIWkR6 (cpu+video)
Asrock FM2A75M Pro4 + - Socket FM2+ 55 euro's http://bit.ly/1pymxAJ (mobo)
Crucial 4GB stick 1600mhz ddr3 37 euro's http://bit.ly/NzytDs (ram)
PNY XLR8 120GB read to write 500MB / s, up to 475MB / s 90 euro's http://bit.ly/1mIW6tf (ssd)
Thats like 280 euro's and thats as cheap as i could get it useing this site http://www.komplett.be/Komplett/site/KomplettHome.aspx
@Skullabyss just built a computer under 250, it's got 4 gigs of ram, and an... e3500??? Look for his posts, you can see it. He's using his for a media center pc.
That looks very nice, but I have a couple of questions if I may ask them
why so much Watt? on http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine it says I need 150 Watt
The mobo supports Dual, so shouldn't I get 2 x 2 GB RAM?
Why is this ssd better than a 840 EVO? The 840 EVO seems very popular for some reason
One thats the lowest wattage psu thay sell on that site and two the site dosent sell 2gb stick's for dual 2x2gb sticks if i can only pick parts from that site thats all i can pick.
If you whant the evo you can get one there more expencive you have to be more realistic with your budget considering 50% of your budget is for just a ssd alone.
I just found this "G3220" and it's cheaper, and a lot faster? Why isn't anyone recommending this?!
Because Intel's Pentium and Celeron CPUs are only dual core and the iGPU is pretty pathetic. At least i3's have hyperthreading.
Yes. Legally. And why would you need to use a legal version again (other than laws obviously)?
And you don't need a new copy everytime you buy a new pc, you can use your old license if you uninstall it from the previous machine (or if it's broken), so really, why raise this point?
OpenOffice has never been 100% compatible with Word and I doubt it is these days either. A few months ago I came across a Word file that was a bit butchered in LibreOffice anyways (and I doubt Open is doing so much better than Libre). Besides, if it's for school or work (internship or whatever) then you really are better off using the same software. If it's for private use Open/LibreOffice will do just fine as long as you don't need databases that do even the tiniest bit more than just storing stuff.
Two megs is plenty? Two megs of what. Two megabyte storage? Two megabyte ram? If you meant gigabytes of ram, 2gig is not really plenty for office and surfing, considering surfing can easily take a few gigs (3 in my case after a few days) unless you reboot often or close the browser often. 2GB ram is doable, but it's not plenty...
And why exactly do you need hyperthreading and a gpu for Windows, Office, and surfing? Hyperthreading won't speed any of that up in any significant amount tbh... And a gpu simply won't speed any of that up period.
Re Being legal :- It bothers some, others not so much, myself I PREFER to stay legal (doesn't mean I have never done anything dubious) and if I can't afford something (or don't want to pay the sometimes exorbitant amount some companies charge) do without/find a workaround. Here "legal"; means within the software companies' terms and conditions.
Re Licensed software:- Builder copies of Win7 can ONLY be installed on the one machine (MS may well let you install it again on a different machine but they don't have to ( to my mind it depends on what sort of day the telephone answerer is having) . Full retail copies of Windows can be installed on a new machine if removed from another first
Re Open office:- I am guilty here of being lazy what I meant was one of the Free/Libre/Open/... office programs. MS office is NOT the only game in town
DOC (AFAIK) is fine, DOCX is workable but is usually not very well rendered by Libre e.g.(especially tables etc)
Re Memory size:- The 2 meg thing was a brain fart, I meant 2Gigs and I was talking about RAM. "Plenty" was perhaps the wrong word, maybe I should have used 'adequate'.
Basically I am saying if it is just some word processing and surfing a very 'light' machine/software is all that is required.
Aside :- How do you get RAM usage to enlarge after several days? If you are talking about hard drive space then with a 500 Gig HDD 3 gigs is trivial besides deletion of your temp internet files will restore that space to you.
Legal/License: If he wants to use pirated software, or already has a license he can reuse, you bringing it up wasn't really necessary. Anyway, there are opportunities for free legal copies as well (students). I myself used to have a legal win2k and winxp license that I could reuse as many times as I wanted and worked on several machines all at once, updater had no issues with it. If I still had the keys I could still use them today I think, I didn't see any time limit on them. Maybe since Vista they do it differently but there's still the opportunity of free legal copies. My point is more, if he didn't specify the software cost needed to be included, you should assume he already has it or knows how much it costs in his available stores and thus can be safely ignored.
Office: I was fairly sure you meant more than just OpenOffice itself, I only mentioned Libre because I haven't used Open in a long while, and Libre is a fork of Open so they don't differ all that much and I doubt that since the fork one has made a significant improvement over the other in terms of compatibility. The bigger issue is really MSoffice that refuses to use open standards, if they did the office suite choice would be truly irrelevant. But since they don't, it's safer to use the software your clients/coworkers use. In Word for example you might be trying to do a certain layout that works in MSWord but not Libre/Open version of Word (end of page comes to mind, in the document created in Word it was where it should have been and in LibreOffice it had an extra white page because it doesn't show the document the same way, this causes "problems" when printing and wanting a certain layout, I'm sure end of page isn't the only thing causing such problems).
RAM: Adequate would be about right, if you're really light on usage or like I said reboot often or close the browser often. If you're like me however, and your pc runs for months on end (if there are no issues) and you don't like closing the browser for whatever reason (browsers don't always remember open tabs very well.... sadly) and you browse a lot, then you can easily hit 3GB on your browser alone. I've done it on so many occassions that I started closing the browser when the RAM was full. Which was way more often than I liked.
And yes, I really did mean RAM usage. It might be a plugin/extension issue but so far I've had it with 3 different browsers that after a while take up all the RAM they could before I ran out. And when I ran out, it began paging. At one point I had a 10GB pagefile because Chrome was taking up so much RAM and was still increasing the pagefile as I watched, though tbh, I think that particular case had a memory leak or other bug because you could really see the pagefile grow while looking at it.
From what I can gather, closing tabs doesn't clear them out of memory and they stay there until browser is closed. Not even using the clear cache and everything feature helped me, only restarting the browser frees up the memory. I encounter this over 2 different os's, 2 different browsers, many different versions of these browsers. So I'm inclined to think these 2 browsers at least are very flawed when it comes to this.
Right now, my browser is taking up 1GB RAM and I have restarted it about 24hours ago. So for my personal use, it's still ok. But if you only have 2GB, and Windows takes up anywhere between 700MB and 1GB depending on how much you trimmed it (might go even less perhaps) and the browser takes up 1GB, you don't have much left. With an SSD caching and paging might not feel so slow, but still better not having to cache/page a whole lot imo.
For my personal usage, 4GB is just about enough, sometimes too little. If you're really doing lightweight stuff, you might get away with 2GB, but if you can work 4GB in your build, you should imo.
I brought up the software issue as he(?) seemed to be trying to get this machine as cheap as possible. i was saying that you didn't need to pay for software you could use free software then you would have so much more to spend on hardware.
All this assumes that you have to pay for a legal [1]copy of software.
Windows is VERY tricky with regards to licensing there are far fewer legal [2] ways to have it than is generally assumed (remember you do not buy the software you buy a license to use it.. So it is not yours to do with as you wish).
[1] Again some do not fret about using warez etc whilst others prefer everything above board.
[2] Again legal means within the software companies terms and conditions. Not about to get into a discussion on the difference between illegal, unlawful, against policy.
Fair enough. I just don't know anyone who has bought a copy of Windows (not counting the one you get with laptops and pc's as there isn't really an alternative here afaik). Going by the links he posted he seems to be from around here so I'm guessing he doesn't have a problem with illegal software either :)
(For the record, I thought about buying Win8 when it was so cheap in the beginning of its life, but it would have no advantages for me so in the end I couldn't be bothered, and what they pulled later made me happy about that)