So, with the introduction of Nvidia's 1070 and 1080 News outlets have been flipping their stories. going from saying AMD will dominate or take the lead to now Saying that there is no way for AMD to be relevant or compete with Nvidia and intel. It is so close to the introduction of their new Products, what do you guys think? Is there hope in your minds still that AMD will release some decent products this year? I have always been on the AMD side because I like to see the little guy come out on top at some point. Sorry If this is not in the right category. I just wanted to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Lots of good discussion here about the topic. The newer comments should be of interest to you.
it's no real improvement. it's the same architecture as Maxwell but shrunken down with a new sticker on it.
exactly! Also very well analyzed and explained by AdoredTV (as always)
So I'm still quite confident that AMD knows what they're doing.
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I expect the big Polaris chip to slot in somewhere between a Fury and Fury X and cost under $300. Don't expect it to compete directly with the big Pascal offerings. It won't and was never designed to. That is Vega coming later this year to early next year.
I don't get "worried." I hope it is good and I think it will be. If not oh well what can you do.
Side note, I know those "Benchmarks" leaked on Videocards showing it the same as a Fury. I really don't buy those at all. Lots of fishiness there.
Well the fact that AMD has been gaining IPC land with their APU's have all of the consoles, and all nv did was a refresh..... I wouldn't worry about it.
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It's all baseless speculation, and I don't think it warrants any real concern. After finding out the major let-down that is Pascal, there's no need to worry about AMD. Pascal is an insignificant, incremental step up from Maxwell, and its clock efficiency is actually less than that of its predecessor because of the disparity between the increases in clockspeed and the increases in performance.
It has not delivered on any of its claims of being however much faster than the Titan X or SLI 980s it was advertised as by any stretch of the imagination, the multimonitor anti-distortion thing is something that could be and probably has been implemented in software rather than having a "revolutionary hardware engine" to do it. Single-pass multiview rendering has yet to even be tested because it is unsupported by anything at the moment, and the promise of a true hardware-based asynchronous scheduler fell short after the latest Ashes of the Singularity benchmark still shows a decrease in performance in DX12 with Async turned on. Which further reinforces that Pascal is a die-shrunk Maxwell. Some of this, I think should be classified as false advertising.
AMD is not going to have any problems competing with Nvidia. That, at the very least, is a given.
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I'll be short...
TLDR...
There is nothing we can do. I will still probably get 470, because it will give me bump in performance and freesync, and freesync is what i now currently care about.
But if AMD commits sepoku, there is absolutely nothing we can do. I am tired of defending AMD from stupid accusations... But if AMD deserves it, what the hell. Last thing i heard is June 29th for reviews of Polaris and July for availability. And i have told everybody "Wait for polaris, it is just a week away". Now Vega is going back 2017... What can i do? How can i defend AMD, when their competition to Nvidia is coming 1 year too late? I can full myself FuryX beats 980Ti stock, but what the hell... AMD has given officially total domination to Nvidia for a month, and free reign for an entire year.
Yeah, i am worried. But there is nothing i can do...
Sorry for lying in the beginning. It wasn't short...
What ever they bring wont beat nvidia. It is not meant too. It is aimed at the mass mid range. The 1070s of the world, that range.
People keeping talking about Vega, thats a while yet.
Pretty much take the 300 series vs 900 series that cane roubd last time and change the numbers up a hundred. AMD will start behind and finish on par/ahead while the stpry plays out with all the expexted controversies just like last time.
There is nothing to worry about if you did not wprry last time. If you freaked your shit out last time well throw a fit because it is all the same.
Yea, Polaris is no threat to the 1080. The little that has been said by AMD is that Polaris is mainstream. You know, like the 260X - 360X was in the previous (current) gen. Will not be close to the 1080, probably at least 30% behind at stock clocks. Power efficiency is the only thing AMD is bragging about, small dies and high yield is the goal. Perf is second.
Will have to wait for the big Vega chips next year.
There's 3 markets here: Mainstream, Performance, and High-end/Enthusiasts. It safe to say AMD will target both mainstream and performance.
Amd really needs to go into some pre-built systems - dell, HP, whatnot... Laptops as well. The power efficiency will help with that. Hopefully the pricing helps with the system integrators...
Samsung's 14nm isn't new, like the TSMC 16nm. The yield will be high. The initial defective period should be long gone, since Samsung is producing wafers with this process for a while now. Smaller chip will do the things even better looking for AMD. This was the time to pressure the competition. Now amd should have given us something to make Nvidia look inadequate with their ludicrous pricing and what not. Nvidia's chips are both larger, more expensive to produce and the scarcity of GDDR5X could have played greatly in AMD's advantage. Now until amd releases something, all Nvidia's issues the manufacturing will be solved.
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You know why Nvidia and Intel gives reviewers free shit? Because they sell hardware for them. It's reviewer's job to act like the next generation of hardware is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You know who didn't get a press invite to Nvidia's 1080 announce and didn't get a review sample 1080? That adored guy, giving some of the most detailed and informative computer hardware videos on the web. Ignore the hype.
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When the g3258 came out it was supposed to put the nail in AMD's coffin and was faster then the Athlon X4. Time has shown the X4 to be the better choice. Amd doesn't have to beat out the 700 dollar GPU, just the 350 dollar one that people actually buy.
Even at the time there were people complaining it was only 2 cores, and just couple months later there was FarCry 4 asking for quad core by default and the guys with pentium raged...
I still think amd need to put their shit together when it comes to marketing, because otherwise things are not going to be good. But what do I know. Their stocks just reached summer 2012 levels and going up... So I guess they are doing something right...
Cross your fingers and hope because right now AMD is getting buried on both fronts. It doesn't matter if all Nvidia did was update maxwell, if it kicks AMD around for the next year. If the card is faster, its faster. We'll see what AMD has brewing to compete in the mid-range soon enough, and eventually there will be a cpu launch. Its far to early to start chanting Zen or Vega, because we haven't seen any concrete numbers from either. But, I'm staying optimistic and hoping AMD bounces back. We need competition, but lets not get carried away chanting that something that isn't even released will be better than everything else.
watch this for a good run-down of whats going on
By the time amd brings out Vega, Nvidia will be releasing 1100 series... AMD will be a generation behind when it comes to the high end enthusiast class, and that is huge and I mean huge weapon in marketing and mind games...
aiming for the r7 360 market is a good thing for amd. considering that the fury X still owns the highend market. the GTX 950 is a much bigger threat to amds market share then the 1080. since it's the cheapest htpc card for 4k@60Hz.
granted you could use a skylake igpu but that leaves you with less thermal head room for overclocking. plus intel dosn't follow the full directx/opengl spec. so games both old and new end-up being broken in some cases.
I was thinking this also, considering they supposedly are going to announce Vega in October for release early next year.
The next NVIDIA cards are 1080 Titan X-2? and 1080Ti which are rated to be 12GFLOPS performance, and those will come out probably in another 3-4months.
I hope AMD have a 16GFLOP card ready for the market, because thats what it will take, NVIDIA will probably instantly release a card to compete also.