Hi , I build my working rig with 13900k and GIGABYTE Z790 Gaming AX, I like the board ports and all, but want to return it because of constant coil vine, so I can’t work near the rig, is replacing it with ASRock Z790 Riptide WiFi 7, would be the same quality of mobo and the no coil vine? for the ± the same budget , or I should look for for Asus or just for more high end asrock like ASRock Z790 Taichi Lite, I just want it work I don’t overclock only limit tdp, so it wont need the props spinning =), I run my 13900K on 125W-180W limit max, and still get coil vine when idle or full load, turning Acoustic Noise Settings in bios helps but still has it in the background noise with GIGABYTE =) had asus prime with threadripper 1 gen for 5 years no coil vines, just some usb port problems=). I need just good motherboard that doesn’t overheat, to work quite and last me no overclocking for 13900K max 200-240W, somedays for long rendering times for 3d animation takes 4-6 days to finish. If you can please let me know your professional opinion. Current MSI and Gigabyte mobos for 180-260$ that I build for friends and my self have this coil vine problems =( so this is not an option.
Gigabyte boards are notorious for coil whine. Look at the Asrock Z690 Taichi or Taichi Razer Edition. Currently $240 or so at Newegg.
Asrock generally makes good boards for a couple of years already.
So i´m not sure what your current budget is and what features are important to you.
But boards like the Asrock Z790 taichi lite or Nova are pretty good.
But those are $300+.
Below the $300,- price mark Asrock also has some options like the Steel Legend or the PG Riptide.
But Also Msi generally makes good boards as well like the Z790 Tomahawk.
As mentioned current mobos with especially RGB msi and gigabyte 180-250$ have this vining problems it’s 50/50 will you have it on yours, I build recently in the summer gigabyte and msi , and hopped the z790 gaming ax that has no rgb would not have this vine, but now it I live the GPU rgb line vining is more if I turn of gpu rgb fully it’s still there just less vine, if I remove the Gpu fully, there is still vining. I build gigabyte B760 gaming AX with 13700K for a friend, the coil vine was also there, but only on load, mine Z790 has coil vine all the time doesn’t mater the load I give it. and mine mobo is not chip 260$ if you buy full price, in most cases it’s RGB pulsating, you can turn it of, my mobo has no rgb still has the problem, for audio engeners this no option at all=).
That is kinda interesting in regards to Msi are you 100% sure that the boards,
are actually the culprit?
I mean gpu´s and psu´s are generally more often a cause of coil whine rather than motherboards.
At least in regards to the well build boards with 8 layer pcb´s and good vrm components.
However of course also motherboards could suffer from coil whine as well.
Still Asrock generally makes good boards now days,
their bios is of course less refined and will have some rough edges.
However it is still functional and good enough.
The less refined bios is generally more a thing with AMD boards rather than Intel.
I have the same old rtx 3090 gigabyte from my old PC it has no coil vine in this current rig , works perfectly so far rendering all days long, but gigabyte motherboards , RGB or no rgb 180-260$, that I had this year on this platform has this vining problems, less or more. I had Asus for 5 years, had no coil vines even on 100% loads all days long, just I don’t like this current platform options from them, they offer normal models only from 280-340$ starting price
Well yeah i´m personally not a huge fan of Gigabyte boards generally.
The Z790 boards that i personally like the most are the Asrock Z790 Taichi Lite,
and the Asus Pro Art Z790 Creator.
However yeah those both aint cheap doe especially the Asus pro art,
because it has 10Gbit nic and TB4.
Gigabyte and MSI are out for me personally… Gigabyte cuz the very bad Support when they realise there is really somthing wrong on their end and… MSI because i brigged a Board through their nice Software, after Troubleshoot it came out is was the RGB Controller the Software had bricked, causing annoying Laggs even in the UEFI - Flashback wasnt possible and they even didnt help me in RMA cuz they said “The Trader” …
But thats here in Germany, maybe over there on ur Side of the World things are better.
Brands i can recommend without a blink of an Eye are ASRock as mentioned and, Surprise Surprise: ASUS … never had a Single Hardwareproblem nor Coilwhine with their (Middle to Upper End) Boards.
Do you have Market-Comparision Sites over there? Over here we have Geizhals.de where you can search Products after (for example) Socket, DIMM Slots, Power Stages etc etc etc which is VERY useful in a Case like yours. (You for example seem to need many Powerphases and High-Amp Powerstages)
You can just throw in anything you want and it shows you what Hardware is for you
I am in Europe in Lithuania. Got the my gigabybe from Germany, for friend other mobos locally , have the same problems. =) Actually I had gigabyte for my 2 pc , it was pentium core 2 duo, had work fine for many years =) But it was long ago. And yes I also use Geizhals.de, I got mine this mobo setup there with crucial 192gb ram sticks.
So what mobo did you settle on in the end after having problems with MSI?
I was going with ASRock, but iam not an Refrigerator Maker. Iam building SFF Systems since the Zotac 9300 ITX (2009/2010). My Focus lies at ITX Boards
But if i had to choose, i would go with ASRock Z790 PG Lightning D4 or Z790 Pro RS/D4 - solid 7+1 Real (14+1 Virtual) 50A SiC654 Power Stages - they should be quiet. The Stages on the Gigabyte look better at the first look, but the SiC654 Stages are especially made for High Switching Frequencys.
If you even want to go a bit “higher” the ASUS ROG Stix Z790-H Gaming WiFi is very nice - 8+1 real (16+1 virtual) 80A SiC 659 Stages and even have a useable Soundchip (Realtek 1220) onboard if you still use Analog Sound.
I hope this is a Help for you
Edit: What i fully forgot… what PSU you use? It can make a HUGE Difference if your Board / GPU have Coilwhine or not.
Ok, how to find hoe many real power stages there are on the motherboard, I would like to understand more about that, can you explain more how to check that part? Thank you
Its - relative - easy: Your Board has Mosfets right, but on most Boards there are 2 Stages Connected via Doubler to one Phase for the CPU Vcore - thats why u have Real Phases and Virtual Phases.
Its not a bad thing at all.
Your Gigabyte for Example have 8+1 Real, 16+1 Virtual (Vcore Mosfets doubled) - so 8 Phases, 16 Mosfets CPU Voltage and 1 Mosfet for SoC Voltage.
If you not can find any Specs for the Mainboard… the only way is via Eyeball - you have to lift the Coolers. at least for us normal Customers.
Coil whine is generated by the inductors and has nothing to do with the number of VRM stages.
You mean the Inductor Coils - Yes, of course youre right. But it also is a Combination out of PSU, Mosfets and Inductor Coils (or more - their Package) … but there is never said which type of Coils or Brand is used there, exept in very rare cases where Brands use their “own” designs.
So, at the end, you only can go for Phases and the Quality of their Mosfets - in most Cases if the Mosfets are well done and the Phases, you also have enough and high Quality Coils behind it.
Any other thoughts on specific models of mobos that are solid with no problems to have, and that have no bling or rgb that only makes problems in the end =)
Not Specific, sorry. As i said iam more into the SFF Stuff, so just ITX Boards in use over here.
One thing i always take care of is the PSU, thats why iam using nearly only Corsairs SF Series in the meantime… thos PSUs use strong Monorails instead of splitted Rails and have very high Quality Components, which have been proved - just my experience - to be very effective against coilwhine.
But this alone is also sadly no indicator for Coil Whine reduction… i also tried a Cooler Master V850 SFX Gold some builds ago as (cheaper) Alternative to my SF Series PSUs… and got Coilwhine. (Switched then back to SF750 Platinum - Coilwhine gone…)
So its always difficult to give 100% Save Suggestions.
I also have Corsairs HX, so far 5 years no problem, 10 year warranty is show s how good they are, had the chipper version from them started making problems after a year-2, so don’t invest in chip Corsairs psu, better buy cooler master, deepcool.
Also can someone tell me what will happen using like Nova or Z790 Taichi Lite
mobo, if you add the the second gpu slot an additional m…2 extension card with 4 m.2 using 4 x nvmi drives pciex 3 or 4. Like this: DeLOCK PCIe -> M.2 PCIe (89017) ab € 80,14 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU
And you already use all 4 m.2 slots in the motherboard. Will it work with more then 4m.2 drives or show full 8, or only 6 m.2 drives?
If the picture is accurate, it’s wired for (4) 4x drives. So if you put a GPU in x16_1 and that card in x16_2 both slots will run at x8. Since the slot is running in x8 mode, only the first 2 drive slots will function.