okay… thanks.
Intel is simply more powerful at the high end right now.. That is all there is to it. AMD has great price/performance, but he would be losing on performance for his budget. He could wait for the next AMD CPU's to be released.... but there is no date for that yet.
Here is another build with the best AMD processor currently available.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/47QdrH
It will perform more or less the same as the xeon 1230 v3, but you lose features on the motherboard (older platform) and this person is going to be paying more electrical costs. It uses almost 3 times the power.
I don't recommend this build, but it works and it has the power.
also, it's going to be running hot as hell. You will NEED a larger CPU cooler such as the NH-D14 or H100i. That cooler won't cut it.
Updated the build with a beefy cooler. This is a bit cheaper than the NH-D14, but performs nearly as well.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rCfdrH
Looks like the 4790k is compatible with the B85 chipset -so if I went with that, I wouldn't need to switch motherboards, right?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MXQyqs
Thanks again guys. I think I'm going to pitch the i7-4790k, the e3-1230, and the fx-9590 builds (in that order).
The b85 isnt the best match for a K processor because its not really meant for overclocking. I wouldnt get the K model.. just the regular 4790 if available.
Is overclocking the main difference between the 4790 and 4790k?
How much of a benefit would memory with a CAS latency of 8 be (this one)?
K means unlocked multiplier but lacks some instruction sets and Vt-d virtualisation.
non-K can't be overclocked but ever so slightly using bclk.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9tnGnQ Xeon and a R9 280x :)
Xeon and a R9 280x :)
Appreciate it, and that looks like a great value, but my 3d software is written for CUDA. Its OpenCL support is only in experimental builds.
@TropiKo, thanks for the explanation.
I just noticed the estimated wattage on the AMD version of the build. Do I need a bigger power supply?
That is actually highly recommended since it is so close.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nMzkgs
You want to allow for power degradation over time, not that its very much, but it can add up over a few years. Something to note to your client, this processor is really just a factory overclocked regular chip. It runs hotter and the lifespan will be less than a lower TDP/heat processor. This cooler is a very good one and will keep it under control, but I would not vouge for this processor as a long term solution. It simply runs too hot.
Here is a review that compares it to the i7-4770k, but this link takes you to the thermals page. I was even surprised at the heat output and power draw from this thing. I have seen complete office machines that use l half the power of this CPU alone.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/62166-amd-fx-9590-review-piledriver-5ghz-17.html
Anyway, I'll try not to be too ranty. This processor is more for enthusiasts than professionals. People that like to push systems to the limit and invest in top of the line cooling... They also plan on upgrading their systems on a fairly regular basis. If the processor starts malfunctioning after a couple of years from heavy and constant use, then I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm for the i7-4790 build, but I'm trying to get a good AMD option in case that's the decision.
This processor is more for enthusiasts than professionals ... If the processor starts malfunctioning after a couple of years from heavy and constant use, then I wouldn't be surprised.
Is this true of the fx-9590 from your original part list as well?
Don't worry about being ranty. I really appreciate the advice. Assuming AMD is what we go with, what would you think my best option is?
Really if your not going to overclock the Intel Xeon 1230-V3 is a better option. Its the I7 which is faster then the 8350 or 9590, but with no on chip graphics, which don't matter because you have the Gtx 770 in the build.
The 9590 (if you still want to go AMD even though its slightly slower) running under a strong cooler (I recommend a water cooler since the tdp is so high) shouldn't break down or have problems as long as the temperatures are kept in check. The motherboard wouldn't be happy after running the 9590 for a couple years, but the Asus 990fx pro 2.0 shouldn't break down. There might be some where and tear from delivering the 9590's voltage, but nothing crippling.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/DC3H8d This is what I'd personally do in your situation :/ the Xeon is faster then the 9590 and server grade so more reliable, and paired with the Gtx 770 it should be great running the software you want to run :)
I understand. I'm actually in favor of the Intel build; but I want to fill out both options as best as they can be.
The 9590 (if you still want to go AMD even though its slightly slower) running under a strong cooler (I recommend a water cooler since the tdp is so high) shouldn't break down or have problems as long as the temperatures are kept in check.
Thanks for that. Keeping temps in check is actually something I'm fairly concerned about. The only chip I ever fried was an AMD, and it was under normal use. I'd be willing to swap some power for long-term stability. I've never bought a computer I didn't use for less than 5 years.
It seems to me that the AMD chips, while having better price:performance themselves, are dragging incidental costs up. Bigger power supply, more expensive motherboard, extra cooling, more electricity to run, more work to maintain and possibly shorter lifespan. However, I still need to figure out my best option for AMD.
This is what I'd personally do in your situation :/ the Xeon is faster then the 9590 and server grade so more reliable, and paired with the Gtx 770 it should be great running the software you want to run :)
If you had the extra $60, would you get the i7-4790 or stick with the e3-1230?
If it has to be AMD, then I would go with an 8350 and overclock it as far as you can without increasing the power.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kWXYQ7
Maybe you will get a decent overclock and maybe you wont, but I think that is the best option. The 8350 is different form the 8320, but it is faster on the same power already. See how much speed you can get by increasing the multiplier without increasing the power. This will save you the heat while giving you more performance.
This system will work fine, but it is slower than the intel alternative as we already talked about. If this is going to be doing a lot of rendering for hours on end, then I would encourage the client to clean the dust filters regularly to keep the temperatures as low as possible.
I changed the case to one that can have the dust filters removed and cleaned while the system is still running.
Question: can anyone explain the difference between G.Skill's X and Z series ram? would I see any performance or longevity difference between them in either the Intel or AMD builds?
From those two build, i would take the intel, since intel is known to perform better in editing, especially the i7's. Not too shure about the ram tho :/