Hello guys
I did a Build a PC post yesterday and by searching the Web for the new 1000$ Build I found a few posts about the FX-8350 that launched late 2012. The system is for gaming only and it's not to be upgraded on the CPU.
As the FX-8350 is about 190$ it's cheaper then all the i7 3xxx 4xxx and even some i5. But is it still worth it. So can it run Games on ultra with something like a GTX 770 or a r9 280x as a GPU? I don't care about over clocking.
Greetings
JS
It would work, my bro still uses the 8320, but I'd get the 4670k if I were you and overclock it. It'll perform better.
Definitely still a good CPU. Since neither Intel nor AMD have really DONE anything in the last two years aside from refreshes and die shrinks (not counting the leaps and bounds in the low-power segments) it is stil worthwhile to invest in parts like the FX-8350. That said, and as much as I love my 8350, you would be happier with something like an i5-4670.
The only things that really lag behind on the FX-8350 are memory speeds, and things like SSE executions, single threaded tasks, and data sorting. Other than that it blows the i5 out of the water on physics calculation, integer math, and data compression.
Gaming performance is really a non-concern. I run crossfire 290Xs and don't see any bottlenecking playing games at 1440p. Albeit I haven't actually tested that at the stock clocks, but at 5.1GHz it's fantastic.
That brings me to my recommendation:
On a side note, AMD is launching SOMETHING on the 4th of June, and speculation is that it'll be a new FX series.
FX8350 is still totaly worth it.
It depends on the games you play, but most todays and upcomming futered games, gonne me more and more multi threaded, so the diffrence between intel and amd is getting smaler and smaler. only a few games that run better on an intel cpu, that are ARMA dayZ lol, wow. thease games in particular have a very bad optimized gaming engine to use multiple cores. so they run better on an intel.
But most todays games like BF4 Crysis 3, Farcry, watch dogs, batman,skyrim, bioshock, tombraider, metro etc etc they will run fine on both intel and amd. Not much of a diffrence at all between a FX8350 and i7 in these games.
So yeah you would be definitely fine with an AMD FX8350, unless you playing some older games, or games like arma, dayz, lol. and wow. But still also on an AMD FX these games are playable as well
If you only want to use your computer to game why not buy a console? It is cheaper. EDIT: SupaMesican showed me the error of my way, you can indeed build a computer at about the same price and performance as a console.
Anyway, if you're using linux, the 8350 is comparable to the i7 Haswell. So yes, it's worth it.
This is what I love about modern gaming, even though amds per core performance is much lower since we are getting more and more threads used in games amd can compete with intel really good now. Admittedly now I do use an i5 and my next upgrade will be to an intel(because graduation gift form me to me and haswellE and I want the haswell e features) but you really cannot go wrong with ether one today unless its maybe some really specific use you have in mind.
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If you only want to use your computer to game why not buy a console? It is cheaper.
Heh, I don't think you can build a PC with the same performance as a console at the SAME price. Maybe with the new Kabini CPUs and a dedicated GPU? Please correct me if I am wrong.
So if he only intends to game on his computer and is on a very tight budget, then yes, I think a console is a viable alternative.
Either way, most gamers (like 99%) use Windows, which is a console of another kind. More effective at spying the user, I'll give it that. Might as well go all the way and buy a hardware console, at least that way you know what are paying for.
Oh, I've never owned, and I don't ever plan to own a console, I would like for this not to turn into a PC master race farce.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MwKw7P
$12 more than a ps4 but better cpu and gpu and don't have to pay an extra $50 up front to play online and then an extra $50 eac year and $60 for each game but instead has the pc game sales. Heck a ps4 one year of online and one game costs over $500 so for less than that price one could upgrade both the cpu and gpu to this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PrnzkL and get a multitude of legally free games to paly like tf2 fist full of frags, planet side 2 ect. Listed fpses since that seems to be what most console players I know play.
He said he was looking at $1000 so I'm assuming he can afford that so he could get this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9D9yVn
Not trying to turn it into a pc master race farce, but if one is okay with building a pc it truly is the least costly way to go and with newer hardware likely to push the old prices down and the consoles not likely to drop below $400 for a while(heck the ps4 is now $450 in canada) thats not going to change soon
I just switched to an i5 4670k from an 8320 just a lower binned 8350 chip. That i5 is admittedly just a p-laceholder for a haswell refresh i7 or broadwell chip but I digress. I dropped FX and AMD because AMD dropped the chip and likely the platform. SO I went for a more future-proof setup. I don't favor intel or AMD I think my 4670k (4.6 GHz) here outperforms my FX-8320 (4.8 GHz) but not by much. As I said I dropped the chip because AMD dropped it. Go with a Z97 board and get the 5th gen intel support or if you go AMD go with the APU's since they seem to be throwing alot of focus there.
The FX 8350 also missed AVX2, this totally replace SSEx.x and AVX in the future. Basically 256bit AVX and SSE ISAs.
In pure physic calculation, this can pretty much depend on the software. What kind of SIMD they support. In most cases haswell actually wins, because of better SIMD hardware,
Piledriver aren't really faster in integer instructions. (Both architecture feature 4 ALUs). Piledriver might be ahead because of higher clockspeed and CMT. (4670k doesn't feature SMT).
If the integer instructions are even close to be complex, then AMDs frontend and memory pipelines will bottleneck the backend.
If both threads on the CMT core are demanding heavy FMAC instructions, performance will once again suffer, (Only heavy SIMD workload).
AMD is about to announce a new CPU line so id wait if i were you.
Ok, you've made a good point. I'll edit my previous posts to say that I was wrong.
The "PC master race" part was to keep fanboys at bay, it was not a jab at you in particular.
I personaly think that future proof is not realy something to botter about, wenn it comes to computers in general. With an FX 8 core you covered for the upcomming 4 years.
you basicly just blew your money to switch from your FX8320 to the i5-4670K, basicly. Like you say it your self, there is not much of a diffrence at all. And since the new upcomming games gonne be more and more towards multi threading, the diffrence would be nothing in the end, maybe even the FX 8 cores and i7's finaly gonne shine over the i5´s. They slowly abandon the single threaded applications, anyway.
Also not to mention, you jumped on a i5-4670K with probably a Z97 board, fur futre proof, but if you on haswell 1.0 now, its basicly pointless the upgrade to devils canyon or broadwell anyway, cause the performance diffrence will be minuscule.
I doubt that anyone who switches from the 8320 to the i5 does it out of performance-related reasons.
Good points, by the way.
I built my system with an 8350 / 280x combo and I always run at ultra. I basically flipped a coin to chose between Intel and AMD so I wasn't totally committed until I actually bought the CPU.
I sincerely hope the 8320/8350 and i7 do begin to shine over the i5. Not just because more threads being used means more is getting done and technology is somehow progressing, not even because my bro and I just built him a rig with an 8320 and I plan to get haswell E next year, but because it means more competition for us. the 8 core amd and i5 are priced similarly(unless you have a microcenter then the 8320 is like $10 more than an i3 when theres a sale) if the i7 and fx 8xxx start to shine over the i5 then those will be the ones to buy. With the i7s costing so much more which do you think the majority of gamers with a tighter budget will build? Now if intel lowers the price of the i7 this could be moot but I do have hope this could give us more competition, even though for now an overclocked i5 is good enough.
Its all good man, just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming off like I was an overly zealous pcmr guy.
The core I7 series aren't sold as gaming processors.
Games will still rely on stronger core architecture, simply by the construction of games. You cannot change this, without going into entire new way of developing an game.
SMT (Hyper-threading) isn't fully utilized by simply multiple threads. To fully utilize SMT, you need to optimize it for SMT. Just like you would need to optimize it for CMT (AMD cluster, essentially what the call an module).
The FX 8350 won't start shinning much more than it already do, the consoles have been out for some time now., alot of titles have been released. Before each release everyone is like "Now it will be 8350 > i7 > i5" (I literally needs to listen to this on multiple forums). I don't mind fanboyism (To an extend), but this is starting to show insanity. Get it?
Games are already running multiple threads, but only a few a doing any actual work. It is hard to break it up into multiple processes. As soon as developers try this, they are running into multiple other issues.
I don't really get, why so many people are thinking the core i7 series are overpriced just because it doesn't have any competition. Intel had the same pricing schedule for the entire "core" series. Therefore I doubt we would see any price reduction of their core i7 series.
And each core Ix does shine. It is just how an company chose to market the product. (AMD and Intel are really good at marketing their products, whereof Nvidia is making mistakes after mistake with their marketing).
My 8350 runs everything on ultra without even breaking a sweat(on gpu intensive games). Its priced pretty closely with the i5 4670k and they both are closein termsof performance. The Intel uses less watts though. Ifi were spending in that area id go with the i5 4670k though because the motherboards support pcie 3.0 amd the amd boards do not. Just my .02.