i'm planning on building a pc but i have some problems.
fx 8350 is pretty good for the price and oc easily to 4.5ghz with a 30$ cpu cooler (hyper 212 evo) but will it be "future proof". intel wil come with new cpu with crazy performance in 2014 so probably 2015. wil my fx 8350 still be good for gaming? uhd will be less expensive in 2-3 years and planning on that. gpu's aren't good enough to play at uhd ( 150-300$). so spending a lot on your gpu isn't really a good thing.
so i came with this.
fx 8350
enermax ets-t40-ta
m5a99fx
7970 or save 70 euros and go for an 7870
corsair 600 watt.
1866mhz cas9 8gb ram or better, prices are crazy high atm so i take the one on sale. 100$ for 8gb
thermaltake chaser a31
500gb/1tb wd blue 7200rpm
upgrade the gpu when a good gpu is on the market that play battlefield (3,4 bad company 2,3) and keep the fx 8350. wil a fx 8350 bottleneck 2 r9 290x? cuz those wil run udh 60fps
or
athlon 760k (oc 4ghz is awesome)
enermax ets-t40-ta
MSI FM2-A75MA-E35
7870 msi 2gb. it is €150 and it is msi. so i won't be crap. 2 fans and i like oc.
1866/1600mhz cas9 ram
corsair 430watt
nzxt source 210 elite
wd blue 500gb/1tb 7200rpm
saving 350 euros with this build so i can build a good pc when the newer cpu are out. amd isn't gonna make a better cpu cuz there only making apu's i believe. intel will come with broadwell or something like that but it has 14nm and saving power and 30% more power.
i really don't know if the athlon build is a good build but will it run bf4 ultra settings no aa no af shadow low? prefer 60fps. i play at 1680x1050
so the question is: cheap pc now that run games for now and buy a totally new one after 3 years with a good cpu or build a monster pc that runs everything atm and upgrade the gpu when uhd but not having a really good cpu.
We've reached a point where there are diminishing performance gains with each new generation. Sandy Bridge is still amongst the best gaming CPU's, but that architecture is nearly 3 years old. 10 years ago, a 3 year old CPU would be struggling to keep up with the latest and greatest, pretty much rendering your computer obsolete in about 4 years. The changes brought my Intel have been incremental at best, providing desktop users with their older chips, such as my self on a 2500k, with little to no reason to upgrade to even their Haswell line up. Heck, even people with the older Nahalem architectuer will be fine for gaming. I'd suspect Broadwell will bring the same incremental changees, which will be a "tick" in their line-up, meaning existing architecture on a new fab process; a die-shrink of Haswell. So nothing new for 2014. You'd have to wait until Skylake, which is estimated to release 2015, but I still think it will still be incremental.
Since the next gen of consoles utilized 8 core CPUs, I suspect gaming to be well-threaded in the future across platforms, meaning getting an inexpensive, overclockable 8-core such as the FX-8350 is about as future proof as you can get. And since Sony and MS plan to stretch the life of these consoles as long as they can (10 years, if they can get away with it), 8-core will be the new standard for a while.
thanx. that really really helped me. going for the fx 8350 and a 7870 which is crazy cheap. but fx boards don't have pci-e 3.0 which maybe be a problem in futur gpu's? there are some boards but are really expensice and run on a different chipset so it's not that great.
I agree with Jerm. We've just seen the 780 fall from a premium price of near £600, in the UK, to the cheapest price of £399. You really don't want to overspend on hardware, because the equivalent card, in the next line of GPUs, will cost half the price.
PCIe gen 2.0 is of no concern. If you wanted to run dual GPUs, I would suggest grabbing a motherboard which runs in x16 x16.
x16 PCIe 2 is the same bandwidth as PCIe gen 3 x8. Since gen 3 is twice the bandwidth of gen 2. So twice the lanes is equal to the same bandwidth. So as I said above: if the motherboard runs at a full x16 x16, you will be fine for crossfire or SLI.
7950 is a great buy! What country are you in? I might be able to check some online vendors.
The windforce is cool and quiet. A good design. However, it is voltage locked, and that does ruin some of the overclockability.
I would strongly advise picking a good overclocking 7950. An overclocked 7950 is capable of beating an overcloked 770 in some games. Really good value.
Since you mentioned bf4, latest benchmarks also show that the game is dependant on cpu performance to greater than average extend and also surprisingly it does benefit from faster frequency ram, from 1600-2400mhz there was a ~10fps inc (according to linustechtips). the 7950 has a far superior price to performance ratio to the 7870, if you are willing to sacrifice 5-10% cpu performance with the fx8320, you can fit the 7950 into your original budget. fyi the 8320 also has a greater p2p ratio relative to the fx8350.(according to cpubenchmark.net).You may want to hold off on a new build since the introduction of ddr4 ram is imminent, it may cause a small price drop but i doubt it.
I agree with the above, with the exception of the DDR4 ram point. They will stop making DDR3 RAM soon, and with most of the production already wiped out in a factory fire, prices will only go up.
If the OP is overclocking, I also strongly agree with the FX-8320. The only difference between the two (FX-8320 vs 8350) are stock clocks, but both chips at the same clocks will be identical. So, if overclocking, that makes stock clocks irrelevant, and with identical architecture, with identical IPC (instructions per clock), there is no real reason not to go the cheaper option and spend a little extra on GPU.
7970 price drops 220 euro. xfx double d. what are the difference between ddr4 and ddr3? i did some changes to my build but i don't know about the ram. ddr4 needed? or go cheap ddr3. buying pc in januari 2014.
this is my build now. after a year i will buy a dual radiater so i oc it to 4.8ghz.
i looked for ddr4 memory but don't know if my motherboard supports it and it said that the max is 1866mhz. so no 2133 ram?
when i was looking for the ddr4 ram i saw videos saying that intel wil come with a 8core cpu haswall-e. and will support ddr4. is this a joke? and ddr4 will be introduced in 2013. and i will buy my pc in januari 2014. really really confused now.
and windforce 7950 isn't on sale anymore sadly but i found the xfx 7970 for 227 euros. it isn't the black or ghz edition but are the cards the same? oc the xfx double d so it will be the same as a double d black ghz edition? maybe buy a 280x gigabyte but i don't know if it is good for oc?
i think i will buy a cheaper pc and wait 3 years and buy some better parts. i don't think it is a good idea to build a pc now cuz all new stuff is comming like intel new cpu's and ddr4.
does someone knows a good pc that will be good for 3 years so i can save money for a 1000 euro pc that can run uhd.
You won't be able to utilise DDR4 on a consumer socket for quite some time. On release, they will be used for servers. They won't make much difference to your gaming performance.
XFX isn't the best cooler. Always grab a decent 7xxx cooler.
i can take some 4gb below 1600mhz cas above 10 ram from a old pc? prices are really high for ram atm. 100$ for 1866mhz 8gb. amazon.com is 50$ for the same stuff.
You can reuse RAM if it is DDR3. But the prices are only going to go up. So I would suggest getting what you need now. Because DDR3 will be scarce in the future.
