So I would like to give an argument for people to stay with Linux. Apple is a wall garden which will not change. Windows is now just a vacuum for advertising data, with the only real option to not using it. BSD, although great, is not realistic for most people out there with the lack of many programs that are required for most people. Linux is just starting to be capable of handling all users needs. Do not underestimate the benefits of a larger user base for the higher level users.
Why run away from a fight that should be fought and can be won. 99% of the population does not believe what these extremist believe. The extremist only tactic is to manipulate and intimidate. The only thing to prevail is not run and inform those that are mislead in a calm and respectful way. If you do not have the patience for that then just send them to places like the Level 1 Techs Youtube channel or ignore them while living your life and trying solving problems using computers. Light on what they truly believe leaves them alone and defeated.
If everyone runs to BSD, soon they will be at your door leaving you no where to run. I know it is not a fight you asked for, but it is one you were given. I know everyone has to weight the risk and reward but running is a choice that has consequences.
Get the dependencies that are listed here https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/bspwm . Then it should be as simple as navigating to where you downloaded the source and then do a ā make install cleanā.
Why are there no joke memes about ācompiling from sauceā instead of ācompiling from sourceā for the love of a geek joke, someone please make one!
Iāve been to two already and prom. They were nothing special. I think the loud music with people crammed into a small space is what gets to me. I canāt manage it for some reason. My anxiety shoots up. I donāt know how it comes so naturally to others. They also hiked the price from $10 to $30 and my sister wanted to go see a movie with her friends so I pitched in on that for her leaving me broke until Monday. I do much better with people in smaller groups and have a lot more fun anyway
The thing with BSD is there isnāt much flexibility in terms of desktop environments. Thereās Gnome, a port of KDE, and XFCE. Everything else will need to be compiled from source and maintained at your own expense.
I wonāt get too far into this but in the case of Coraline Ada she has yet to follow up on any questions from legitimate developers, only a stupid reason as to why the change was needed, and the rest of the maintainers have kept their lips sealed including those on the mailing lists. I have no doubt itās a fight that can be won and I encourage it. If anything start a petition. Avoid all the crybabies and deal with raw data. Thatāll prove a point. But all the people that have gotten carried away with the debate havenāt organized anything like that leaving the discussion fragmented.
Now, as for BSD. I completely agree. Itās not for the average desktop user. Neither was Linux initially. But BSD does a few things better than Linux, and (specifically in the case of OpenBSD) one of those is security. Itās only had two vulnerabilities over the course of itās lifetime with the packages in itās base install. That says a lot. Linux has had countless.
I guess what Iām trying to say is, even though in this case itās completely unconventional, you should always use the right tools for the right job and the only way to know if itās the right tool is to try it for yourself.
I intend to try FreeBSD afterwards. Doesnāt hurt to familiarize yourself with multiple platforms. OpenBSD does have a newer version of pf than FreeBSD which is really useful
F.Y.I.
As already mentioned, the documentation contained in the FreeBSD Handbook and OpenBSD man pages is second to none and should be your first stop, whenever problems/questions arise. Back when the BSD Now weekly podcast first launched, they were in the habit of including a tutorial/demo in nearly every episode and many of those tutorials may still be relevant. While you can still watch the episodes, here is the index of the written documentation for each of those tutorials:
Also, if you are a fan of old-fashioned, printed documentation on dead trees, have a look at the works of Michael W, Lucas. His books are well researched, informative and contain many nuggets of wry humor ā¦ highly recemmended:
Strangely enough I have actually found bspwm in the ports package, unless Iām missing something? Iāll look more into it, but I do know that when Iāve done make install nothing seems to happen. Anyway this is Zippyās thread, so let the excitement continue!
@SgtAwesomesauce Haha my bad, I just chose from the recents list.
Hafta say that, despite using Linux and, back in the day, FreeBSD, since the mid '90ās, Iāve never felt any motivation to stop using Something and start using Something Else because I agreed/disagreed with someoneās non-technologically related statements or opinions.
I use what I like. I canāt see why the opinions of the people who make my software should constrain my choices.
Re: Torvalds ā Lots of bosses and executives are out there verbally abusing staff and colleagues every day. A lot of them do it because they stupidly think itās the way to motivate people. And some folks are just, in simple fact, abusive. Torvaldsā problem is heās become the nearest thing to a celebrity in Linux and he ranted on a mailing list, not in private in an office.
The issue is those policies impact how tech is advancedā¦ Even if itās indirect. My problem isnāt Linux. I will always use Linux. My problem is I no longer feel the need to contribute to a project, especially an open source project, where what I and everyone else has to say means fiddle in spite of our contributions.
Iād rather spend my time volunteering locally where work is appreciated rather than on something like Linux where quite frankly, nobody cares. Thatās why Iām a part of CarbonROM; my friends appreciate the work that I do and I appreciate the work that they do. Itās symbiotic.
Unlike a lot of people, I use software to learn and advance what I know. Thatās what is important to me. So yes, whenever we have some crazy person tell me that somebody who writes documentation is as important as the guy that wrote the patch then thatās troubling to me.
That said, I definitely see where youāre coming from.