yeah, lol. I'm not angry just making a point, I was going to give up anyway if he kept arguing lol
For Ryzen 1.0, it is complete. Maybe in future generations it will be iterated on, but for Ryzen 1.0 this is as far as it is going. Period. The silicon does not have the overhead to support boosting higher than at best 200Mhz on one core, on only select skews. It will not be implemented on multi-core on Ryzen 1.0 either. The TDP constraints and constraints of the silicon itself prohibit it from possibility. Voltages would have to be hiked to support this and that work would probably also need to be done at the factory to determine those voltages.
The other caveman would know this best and he has articulated that this is as far as the feature will go for Ryzen 1.0. He has direct access to AMD. He's had private and public meetings with AMD officials due to his involvement in AMD's official Red Team Plus program. If an engineer from AMD said to him that this is all it is, than that's that.
Red Team Plus ? The PR advertising stunt?
Oh, I thought it was something with serious inside access?
Those engineers will keep it light and fluffy with the public, they aren't allowed to say much else.
Sniffles. I wish i was there.
Have you never ...
here
Now chill.
Yes, Public Relations.
I'm not paid by AMD, so no.
youre being rather abrasive.
Abandon thread!
1 Like
This PR concept has been done before. They get customers to do events where they advertise for free on social media.
Free PR is even better.
@moderators Just close the fucking thing.
if that doesnt work anymore @Zoltan @GigaBusterEXE @Alamar @Phantom
Anyway, I'm disappointed in the discussion thus far.
Hopefully better posters will show up and we can have a positive exchange of ideas.
i heard this thread was pretty dank
i am not disappointed
you mean like people who actually explained to you (wrote before) that XFR is additional boost (of 1-200MHz depending on your cooling) over turbo boost?
5 Likes
If you read the very first post I wrote, I asked a rhetorical question.
I didn't expect anyone to actually agree with it.
well problem is that people here actually spent time researching ryzen platform (with multiple mega threads); also there are people who own ryzen cpu with XFR, and people like cave who knows how it works quite well and had time to speak with engineers. In terms of rhetorical speaking they are far past that. They have actual working experience with it.
Currently XFR is in its first versions, I assume in the future they will take XFR over turbo itself as its better for end-user not to worry about temps at all. XFR is approaching new way of calculating clock boost for every user. Not limiting them within certain ranges like 3.2->3.7GHz if they have sufficient platform that will be stable it will boost further... At this moment ryzen doesn't oc well past 3.9GHz (4GHz requires too much voltage in my eyes) this may be one of many issues with motherboards not the cpu itself - but very well may be the cpu. (i tend to believe its mobo, since there are too many issues there)
2 Likes
Now that is what I was thinking about the motherboards, but I also think as the silicon is improved in the production yields, there will be higher voltages tolerated before either the mainboard or the chip shuts off.
Can't help it, they're on their first generation of 14nm fabrication process. As Global Foundries' process improves we'll see potential higher clocks from AMD's future CPUs.
They are not. They are in first months of mass production of 14nm zen chip.
GloFo has already been producing on 14nm for quite a while (they are on 14nm LPP process, not LPE), and not only polaris, and now zen. It also has been producing IBM Power9 cpu's. Since we'll likely stay on 14nm till 2019, we will see some better 14nm CPU's - but those will be after ryzen. (just like we see polaris 20 on horizon). Early engineer samples for zen were clocked at 2.6-2.9GHz.