I'm a Filmaker and I'm looking for a Pc that handles editing in Premiere pro as well as After effects, but also 3ds Max.
I'm looking for the best parts for a Pc that I can use to built an Editing and Animation rig that cost less then 1000 $.
I Need enough space on a SSD for Windows and all creative cloud programms.I Need enough space on a SSD for Windows and all creative cloud programms.
I Need enough space on a SSD for Windows and all creative cloud programms.
Please help me guys.
mm I'd start without a dedicated GPU, get one later if you see you need it in your workflow.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FDVpWZ
Wtf are you talking about? Not only is he running Adobe products that love a GPU for extra rendering performance not to mention effects that need a GPU to be available but hes using 3DS Max, a 3D design program which needs a decent GPU, More specifically a Nvidia GPU
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qzLQMp
I gave you a 780. The brand isnt well know but for that fact they are cheap. The next best was an asus gtx 770. Grabbed a worse cpu cooler but you could drop that to save some more money. Rather than an SSD, I gave you a hybrid drive where commonly used files are stored on an ssd built in but for a lot less you get ssd like performance with more storage.
The motherboard is an older board but their great boards and with a bios update will support the newer cpu. I also upgraded the PSU to a 750 watt (GTX 780 needs some extra power) its 80+ bronze not gold but EVGA is a well regarded brand and their PSU's are good.
I thought about getting a water cooling System like the Cosair H100i so i could overclock the cpu a Little. Do you think i should do that? I also thought about gettung the Amd fx 8350. Do you think that processor would drop the Performance really bad ? Since it is just half the Price it seems very cost efficient.
And for the hybrid drive. What is the exact Performance of an Hybrid drive compared to an ssd in opening those programms?
And what is the Performance difference between 780 and 770. And do both of them Support cuda processing?
Thank you both your advices are really helpful.
When your rendering, stability is more important than an overclock. If you add a watercooler like the h100i and want to stay under $1000 you would have to drop down to an i5 and probably a gtx 760. You would lose a lot of performance for possibly no gain. I would do watercooling down the track if you really want to do it.
A hybrid drive is basicly a HDD with an SSD cashe. Your most common programs sit on the SSD so windows, adobe software and whatever else you commonly use. Everything else sits on the HDD and runs at normal ssd speeds. If you want to go the SSD route with a HDD, you would be spending another $200 for a little more speed on more programs but less storage. A hybrid drive is a good compromise on a low cost build. You get more performance spending money in different areas.
Both the 770 and 780 support cuda. The difference is the 780 (This one is overclocked at stock) is about 15% more powerful. For the price difference, a saving of maybe $30 you could have a 770 but honestly I think the performance is worth it.
the 8350 is an old CPU, Not great when it comes to rendering and really is only for builds where you need to save a lot more money.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qWqvvK
If you don't mind me asking, are you a paid professional or is this a hobby ?
I think you are right an less expensive cooler is better.
I will go with your hybrid drive.
I will also go with the 780.
And I just saw a Video about the performence in Rendering. You are right that CPU sucks in Rendering.
I'm a Student at a german film school in Munich and no I'm not getting paid for it i have to pay for going there but I Need a decent pc to do the Projects we are required to do at home, which require a lot Performance. At the Moment i own a i5 2500 + with an gtx 550 ti + an HDD drive and 8 gb of ram on a Motherboard that is not able to take more RAM and is about 5 Years old i think. That built is kinna old so ist Performance is not up to date and it can't really handle the computing Progresses that I Need to produce my assignments for School which includes effects, colour correcting, and 3d animations. For example currently I'm making an shortfilm which will include character animations with cloth and hairs which Need way to much power then I got currently. I know that that build can't handle it perfectly either but will atleast making tha Progress a Little bit faster what is kinna important for a Student that is in School all day.
Well thanks for your help i got some good parts from it.
Do you currently live in Germany ? Will buy the parts from there ? What case and power supply do you have now ?
Regarding your old pc, it isn't very old.
The CPU should still be pretty capable, even if it is missing a few of the new instruction sets.
Your motherboard should be under 4 years old, and from what you are saying about the RAM, it probably has only two slots, but you can buy a new 16 GB kit (2x8) and use that.
New storage will be useful too. An SSD and a separate HDD is a better option than a hybrid drive, even if it's more expensive. You want to keep your programs and some of your more important files on the SSD, because it's less prone to failure.
My suggestion is to get new parts, except for the CPU and motherboard. If you still aren't satisfied with the new performance, then get them as well.
To get more performance out of your pc, you can use various plugins. I don't know if the student vesion of max has limits on those. Maybe just free license ones.
Full build, Germany i7 4790k and GTX 770. €1100. This one can be overclocked.
Xeon 1231 v3 and GTX 770 € 966
Partial - http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/CWNtHx German list
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2MRcVn U.S. list
So I'm seeing one thing being left out of all these builds which is important for an video rig: the 3 drive OS/Cache/Media setup. Just note that if you're tight on budget an older drive could work so long as its 7200 rpm, this way when you create ram previews and/or hit your ram ceiling Pr and AE won't be rushing to write onto the OS or the media drives slowing the whole process down overall. Also I'd lean towards the PNY 780 3GB video card as vram becomes more important as the dimensions of the source footage increases. 2GB is fine now but will have a lot of problems keeping up in the future.
Ok, now let's make this discussion a little more profound and take a look at the facts.
Here is the certified video card list for 3dsmax:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/syscert?siteID=123112&id=18844534&results=1&stype=graphic&product_group=3&product_group=6&product_group=19&release=2015&os=131072&manuf=all&opt=2
And here the system requirements for Premiere and AfterEffects
https://helpx.adobe.com/de/premiere-pro/system-requirements.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/after-effects/system-requirements.html
So both like OpenGL and Adobe likes Cuda for ray-tracing.
Here's my build for 1000€ (by the way: pcpartpicker germany sucks):
http://geizhals.de/eu/?cat=WL-503869
Let's be clear, for this type of workload, this is pretty basic, but it's a VERY solid base with tons room for expansion. But for now, the system has everything you need. 4C/8T 3+ Ghz CPU, enough ram, a pretty decent videocard that is actially certified for the programs you use and some decent storage.
Quadros have terrible price to performance. They do great in viewport performance but terrible in rendering performance compared to geforce cards and tesla's. Also a few years back, the GTX 600 series were listed as supported but has since been removed due to pressure from Nvidia. For the cost of this build, A quadro is far from money well spent.
Yeah, the GTX 600 series was the first and last GeForce supported. I've just seen way to many people on the Autodesk forums and elsewhere complaining about issues with their gaming GPUs.
Just spend the little premium for a pro card and be done with it. Whorry-free and stable.
These cards even game if you want to. I've played Far Cry 3 on a FirePro W5000 a while back and it was pretty good.
Anyways, it's a build suggestion. It's up to the OP which road to follow. I'd still say it's a pretty neat build if you're on a budget and just want to get sh**t done.
1220 Xeons don't have hyperthreading. From 1230 and up.
True that. My bad.
So add another 50 € for a 1230 v3.
Autodesk seemed like an addition by OP... and CUDA works for all of Adobe suite... just saying... a 970 would be cheaper than Quadro and they do fine in 3D applications minus the rendering acceleration in unsupported apps like 3D S Max... the difference in premier pro and after effects with a 970 vs that Quadro will be SUBSTANTIAL... the difference in 3D S Max will also be SUBSTANTIAL... so... which does OP use more? Buy accordingly...