Does anyone else feel duped by AMD and nVidia?

The whole 'I'll show you mine, you show me yours' is really wearing thin with me. Instead of pushing all their cards to the limit, they slyly leap frog each other, or magically pull a entire new card out of their arse. Lead with
 the fucking best  you wankers, and fuck your dick measuring competition.

If you only talk about hardware this may be true. But if you think about Mantle/DirectX, OpenCL-support/Cuda and other stuff (e.g. vga-passthrough seems to work better with AMD) there is quiet a nice competition going on.

I'm slightly more upset that the GTX 680 was supposed to just be the 660, and presumably something similar is happening with GTX 800 series.

i've lost all feeling in my heart

its called capitalism. Its also the case that they have no other competition. There is no 'need' for them to push any more than they are.

A more positive view would be that: Do you realize how much r+d/money/time goes into making a chip/pcb/card etc. Its not magic.

Duped how? You buy X amount of performance for Y amount of money. If they bring out a new card a week later and yours is no longer the top performing card, that's just how computer hardware goes.

I would understand being frustrated with Nvidia about this. In the last year, they've released 4 flagship cards, all on GK110, each for flagship prices and just barely inching out the last one. But, they didn't dupe anyone.

i never saw theire "dick" measuring competition, on TV or the Internet.. would be fun to watch lol ☺

personally, I been on both sides of the war. I had a 7850 previously, and recently sold it for a 760. I was able to try out mantle, and really, it was so disappointing. I have an i3 3220, and I was expecting a performance gain from the new API and getting a better performance in BF4. Sadly, I think that my average frames didn't change even a few. Even with the latest drivers a few weeks ago, it still didn't work well, and then I made the decision to upgrade and switch sides to the 760. I was mainly expecting to use shadow play from high praise and reviews, and that has worked quite marvelously, mainly from super unexpected moments in fps games and being able to record them. I think hardware change between every year every generation really doesn't make a big difference, as with new the new cards in, new price points are given. The prices slowly go down, around 10 bucks a month, and then by a full year your card value has went down heavily. As far as I can tell, Nvidia and AMD have both slowed down on manufacturing good hardware and such, and have not changed to a lower nm process, while still trying to provide new things with re-branded hardware. AMD's Hawaii GPU has such potential in it, as seen from the R9-295X2, and what really strikes me old is the fact that they don't try to unleash the R9 290(x) with an even cheaper price point, as they clearly have plenty of money now. What I think they need to do is slow down on the nerdy proprietary software and instead offer a cheaper bare-bones graphics card with less software but more hardware performance and at a price point that even a kid like me could afford from his Christmas savings.

(im nothing against dick measuring competitions :3)

The only thing that should ever make you feel *duped* as a consumer is directx (hardly amd's and nvidia's fault).

it renders monstrously powerful gaming hardware into things that perform either just barely okay or downright crap and gives a software maker with a biased interest too much control over the whole gaming industry.

once bare metal apis become more common spec you are going to see a lot more of what we would normally consider 'unbalanced' pc's become far more common place.

e.g

a seven year old core2quad combined with an r290 or 780 :D

... because people are going to find that under the newer apis all they will need to do to run the latest and greatest is drop in a new graphics card and job done... at least that is what i hope.

Okay, little history, Back in the day, IBM had a LOT of chips moving fast, so fast that buying was horrible because the chip you got in April was outdated in may. IBM wanted to be on the bleeding edge, so they would release newer chips often at the same time as older ones. This created a backup up chips unsold because nobody wanted them due to having faster chips already out. So began the practice of only selling the oldest first.Same here. If they release their newest stuff, it will create a backlog of the last generation because early adopters will want the newer chip, and bargain guys will not be able to buy even last gen chips for some time.

ya it is soo stupid. used to be a single generation meant a huge upgrade like a gtx 9800 to gtx 280. but now its 10 - 15% if your lucky? they pull these cards out of their asses.

7970 -> 290X = ~30% improvement. 680 -> 780 = ~30% improvement. Generation gaps are still pretty big.

The fact that Nvidia has also released the Titan, 780ti, and Titan Black, each for 5-10% more performance, is just stupid, and all they seem to want to do is stay in the headlines. But again, they're not duping anyone. Just wasting everybody's time.