If this happens and DICE does not support Vulkan API, looks like I won't be playing any more DICE games in the future. Until Windows X proves it is not violating my privacy, I am NOT upgrading to it. Windows 7 has been just fine. another thing that MS should have done is change up the Filesystem from the aging NTFS to something similar to EXT4 with the lack of fragmentation affecting the drive.
DICE needs to stop suckling at Microsoft's teat of DX12 and Win 10.
2 things.
1: windows 7/8/8.1 all spy on you too....sooo the best you can hope for is upgrading to windows 10 and then hack it to turn off the spying features.
2: The day windows stops using NTFS is the day they shoot themselves in the foot.
I'm pretty sure microsoft would have no issues getting DX12 working on win 7 and 8 if they wanted.
But they insist on milking the market, get everyone to upgrade to 10.
People like Linus isn't helping gamers at all, him only talking good about windows 10 which really disturbed me.
I think Valve really are going in the right direction with the move to Linux and the SteamOS. I think the almighty GabeN saw the future and saw that it was not good in the garden of Eden with MS as the snake and DX12 as the apple. Or something along those lines. It is like GabeN is a third party watching the scene play out and yelling to the woman, " Stop, don't eat it!! The snake is lying to you." GabeN, then goes on to show the people a better way. An alternative route. Of course the masses scoff at the alternative method. But, the faithful few slowly grow into a nation of the faithful. I believe GabeN will show us the way with SteamOS paving the way to the promise land!
....end of semi-religous ranting.
but EA is a contributor to Khronos Group
https://www.khronos.org/members/contributors
they will probably use DX12 until Vulcan is ready
Agreed, Microsoft is moving a lot of Windows 10's spyware over to 7 and 8/8.1, so there's that.
For DICE wanting to require DX12, I can see it being good for the sake of innovation. But for the sake of the people who can't use DX12 because of their OS, that's no fun at all.
But here's the deal, With DX12 only being on Windows 10, they would be cutting their demographic in the market by HALF at least if they don't make it work with DX11, I doubt they would do that.
Do you know how fast there will be a work around for that?
Remember back in the dinosaur age when they required halo 2 to run on windows vista? despite it being a dx9 game?
After a month or so a work around was created by users to make it run on XP. If enough people get mad about it , it won't be an issue.
Praise be to his glorious name forever; may the whole earth be filled with his sales. Summer and Sales.
GabeN be praised.
Wellllllllllll linus has never really cared too too much about privacy and that sort of thing.
He and I share the same view point.
To me it is just silly to worry yourself to death over people spying on you.
The only way to truly stop people spying on you is to live 30 feet under ground and be completely off the grid.
I believe people should be vocal about privacy, and should take measures against being spied on, but that is about it.
I do not believe that boycotting windows 10 makes a bit of difference. Even if you switch to linux, there are still back doors built in for the government to use to spy on you.
You are damned if you do and damned if you dont.
I think linus understands that and just does not bother to play it up on his channel.
Its more about the mass data collection, making a profile of a person and then selling it to companies and advertisers.
How they ram updates down your throat without you having any say in the matter, and how they pretty much use peoples computers to seed updates so they can save some money on servers, whilst negatively affecting everyone with data bandwidth caps, also decreased HDD lifespan and increased power consumption from seeding.
Microsofts decisions are literally costing you money, semi directly.
and as for the backdoors built into Linux........that is still up for debate since, sure, the NSA may build it into a kernel or distro, but so many distros and so many kernel versions muddy the waters and don't guarantee that the backdoor still exists or will work with the next kernel version. Plus, there are so many eyes checking the code that the NSA can't hide their steaming pile of crap for long before someone removes it and reports on it.
They can want all they want. Fact of the matter is there is still a substantial amount of people not on Windows 10, so making that the minimum spec probably won't change that. Personally, I won't switch for just one game.
Don't get me wrong. What windows 10 is doing is wrong.
But rather than boycotting a product that I would like to use, I would rather hack it, harden it, and passively protest what microsoft is doing by simply blocking their features from running.
At this point, unless bulk collection becomes illegal and the whole nation guard shows up to microsoft with a cease and assist order..........nothing is gonna change.
Yeah... but by purchasing that product, you are giving tacit approval to their practices. You voted with your wallet, and M$ sees that as evidence that you either like, or don't care about what they are doing. And even if you can protect yourself from their prying eyes, other people may not be so lucky. Your purchasing decisions can have impacts beyond yourself. If you're cool with that, then by all means. It's your money after all, and we all buy things that support shit we wouldn't like or agree with out of necessity or convenience...
Though, if enough people move away from windows (something that isn't likely until Linux gets better software support, which, granted is happening, but slowly), M$ will get the hint and things will change. Of course, by that time, who will need em lol. Ok, businesses running decade old apps probably will. And 12 year old Call of Duty players I suppose. But beyond that.
No offense but your argument is pointless.
If you are running windows beyond vista, bulk collection is happening. Period.
It does not matter if you got to windows 10 or not.
The whole reason this is such a big scandal, is the fact that no where in the user agreement does microsoft state that they will spy on you (unless there is a longer version I am not seeing), and they have an option to disable to features.
So purchase or not, there is no place you are giving them tacit agreement to spy on you which like I said is why this is such a big problem.
Fine, that is all cool and what not.
Soooooooooo unless you move to linux or BSD, you are not avoiding the problem.
I have personally gone to linux simply because I like the UI more, but how many others will need to convert before MS knocks this crap off?
If the NSA want to mess with my gentoo setup/kernel, I would actually be impressed.
If you think my argument is pointless, then you may have missed the, um, point of it lol.
Sure it matters. First, the data collection/privacy issues with W7 and W8 are far less than what they are in W10. Sure, they are trying to expand those practices to 7 & 8, but those "features" didn't exist in those operating systems when the purchase was made. Therefore, when you made your purchase of W7 or W8, you were not tacitly supporting those same practices. Tacit means understood, but not stated. And how could that be understood, of it didn't yet exist?
Those "features" are present in W10, and it is well reported on. So by purchasing it, there is tacit approval of those practices. You have supported those policies with your money whether you personally turn them off on your machine or not, helping to justify, in M$'s mind, their rollout to previous operating systems, and the continuation of these policies going forward. Your purchase impacts others. The only thing that will show them those policies are not supported by their customers, is for people not to purchase that software, and to speak out against their inclusion in previous versions.
It's not so much about avoiding the problem (though that is part of it), it's about showing M$ that there is one. And if people keep purchasing W10, M$ will simply assume everything is A-OK, and keep going right down this path that they are on.
So this isn't a "don't bother, it's happening no matter what" situation. Let's not forget the blow back from Windows ME, or Vista, or Windows 8. In each case, M$ had to react quickly to poor sales and the complaints of their customers, and released something better in short order (Windows 2000, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 respectively). You hit them in their wallet, and they'll make changes. But it wont happen if everyone just throws up their hands and say's "it doesn't matter".
I assume you mean ea dice? well it's ea what do you expect.