What does that have to do with Windows 10 telemetry? And they can always move, if they hate it that much.
I think you are severely over-estimating how little people care. I’ve worked in InfoSec departments with Windows 10, and we nailed audits using the OS.
If Microsoft jeopardized people’s data, they would be fucked. FUCKED.
People are already chomping at the bits to get in on the application market. This “people are dependent on Microsoft! They have a gun to their head!” is bullshit. Most leading applications are browser based, and top companies like Ultimate Software, ADP, and Ellie Mae are busting ass to move to that market.
Soon, very soon, the desktop won’t matter. People use Windows because they like it, it works for what they do, or because they don’t care.
Why would you delay Security updates? This is to have control over them. I didn’t see this covered in the subject. You seem pissed that I’m not quaking in fear over Windows 10.
You don’t have an option to run the applications you need, on any other OSes (don’t bring up apple please, it’s an etch-a-sketch)
I covered caring / giving up, in the guide.
Yes, so would Equifax, so would Google, so would Apple/iCloud, Sony etc. That’s why they make sure that they collect everything, have PR warchests of money, make sure the data they suck (with or w/o your consent) doesn’t get hacked, and if it does get hacked from the 3rd parties they sell it to, it’s “not their fault”.
That’s not the question, mr congressman. We were talking about telemetry. And the guide up top explains that you can set yourself up to choose if you ever want to install an update, whether it’s a security update or not, what to install, have tools for it, see what modules updates affect, etc.
No, I want us to have a say, to have control, and I don’t like that you’re being overly passionate and dismissive instead of chill and scientific. It makes me and others behave on this bad level as well.
Don’t understand what this means, but it’s a discussion for another thread, I guess. I’ve done sysadmin, dev, and security work on OS X. I guess I earned a great living on an etch a sketch.
Can you provide examples of when Microsoft was pwnd?
I thought this thread was about decrapifying Windows 10?
Lol’d at Mr. Congressman. Whatever you say, comrade socialist.
You do have a say. Vote with your wallet and your platform. You seem to believe Microsoft changed due to “backlash”. Keep it up, Windows Blue X3 will be open source on Kernel 7.24!
Lol’d at me being passionate. You are the beacon of logic and reason.
Anyway, I’ll see you guys later.
BTW I’ve been sending your post history to M$ and N$A
Strip Windows 10 and use only for gaming but for the love of god move everything else to linux. I fail to see how windows will remain an industry leader. Its easy or its easy to spy on people. Some people will not care but for the rest of us… Time to go.
Still waiting on gaming improvements on linux so we can just skip this nonsense. Tired of having to strip every window install
It really depends on what you play. Emulators, indie devs, and some AAA titles have moved over. But until more AAA dev’s go to linux there will still be windows only. A bit part of it is the tools they use. If the frameworks they used had a xcompile option then it wouldn’t be an issue.
Correct. Among other things I program videogarmes and there is a lot of inertia so to speak with toolsets and frameworks and game engine modules that are primarily windows. The Unreal Engine for example runs on DirectX internally. OpenGL/Vulkan build support is adapted for consoles, not for linux’s sake.
Also if you need Photoshop or Maya or photo sets -> photogrammetry -> 3D mesh conversion kits to make those sweet looking mossy rocks and vases and stone walls and stuff, you kinda need windows…
We need to figure out some clever blockchain-level-of-thinking idea to pay linux open source devs, a lot of money, in a provable and decentralized and incorruptible way, to add driver support, more UX where needed, and help or incentives or lobbying for Adobe, Autodesk etc. to move over to linux.
UE4 has xcompile options and a native UI for linux. I’ve compiled it myself once. Note, its a private github repo, so you have to have an account with UE to join.
Bad example maybe?
I think this is the biggest reason. The assets. Unless outsourced, have to made in house. Currently, there is no one stop shop solution, COTS or otherwise, that exists for linux game development for the entire pipeline.
How are they being transparent? Has the Windows 10 kernel became open-source? Can i compile it from source on my PC?
If i tell you that yesterday I donated $20 to World Wildlife Fund, am I being transparent or am I just talking shit out of my ass to get people to like me? You can’t possibly know because you haven’t seen the evidence. (Emails, bank transaction, me visiting the place.)
The same way EULA for Windows 10 doesn’t mean much because the alarming stuff is most likely left out. Large corporations have one thing in common. They constantly lie. So what the EULA says is going on in Win 10 and what is really going on in that software are probably two different things.
If I was high profile executive at microsoft, I would keep the dodgy stuff under the carpet and write the rest of the EULA/Term of Service in legal language and make it excessively long to discourage people from reading it in the first place. Because if they did read it and fully understand it. They would be put off so much that some of them might refuse to use my software. Which means lost revenue.
No they wouldn’t because people like you would never care enough. NSA is still alive and kicking.
JESUS FUCK did I accidentally ignite a flame between the *NIX and Microsoft people LOL @Eden my bad
True and i see your point but here is the essential problem we face as society. What is the new model how do we create one that manages what actually limited resources we have effectively. If the current model has failed an inspired your grass roots movement which I admire a little bit to be completely frank.
~ Edmund Burke … inspiring quote. One that I have used many times myself to motivate people. I am not against making windows safer and more private the issue I have … is as a professional I rely on it to be up to date all the time and certain engineering software also requires this to occur. If privacy is the choice between my profession and a bit more private operating system I am going to choose the tool that gets my work done.
That being said I can generally accomplish most of my work on linux. MATLAB and SIMULINK my primary software I use supports it and LTSpice can easily be ran in linux but other things cannot and thats where I find myself in a quandry. I am also an avid gamer so if windows shits out on me because I want to take it away from the vision of the service Microsoft has licensed to me under an agreement and that I paid for just to make it more private how am I helping myself. Not only am I making a stable service unstable, I can potentially incur other unforseen losses.
If we want to change The OS this is a good time to do it… Not by ripping it apart like a childrens play toy but by actually voicing the concerns higher up and we stopped for a moment without our anti M$ rants we would realize they have listened to quite a large amount of feedback. Something that did not occur when balmer was in charge. Im more then positive if there is enough demand and I mean organized demand not only from home users but by the enterprise for windows to be more private then it is. Microsoft would change their service policy just like they did with Azure which used to be a 100x more invasive then it is now
Not always true. Sometimes you simply need a way back in when all hell has broke lose. I could provide examples but I am sure with a simple good search of the PROS of backdoors could satisfy said need for examples.
I will take a look at it. I am actually quite interested in at least slimming windows down. Especially on my laptop. I love linux but I seriously am waiting for (I can hear the cringes now) Ubuntu 18.04 to come out. Its promising to be quite the amazing release
Have you read whats actually in that telemetry and no they dont allow you to completely disable it… Its set to a basic level. Even if you set in group policy which I have there is an explicit warning that they will maintain minimal basic telemetry to continue providing windows as a service. Its hardly bad for them to check up on some health reports every now and then…
The model is what if Vitalik Buterin was in charge of Microsoft?
This guide should help inform what has been and/or is going on, and how to damage control for the meantime. You can have your updates too.
One of the (only slightly evil) things I’ve found to be effective is when it makes the news that a bad practice is completely blocked or circumvented. Like how the ad industry is visibly objectively suffering because everyone blocks the shit out of them. Additionally you can see the drive of the people in supporting stuff like all the ad-problem-solving cryptocurrencies (e.g. content creator rewarding, choosing what data you disclose etc.) which are remaining relatively high (price wise and emotionally) on the crypto market (e.g. BAT, ADX, RDD, TRX).
If it came out in the news that “Privacy advocates offer the public reliable ways to understand & pick & choose what connections Windows 10 makes to its servers or 3rd parties”, then that sends a really strong message to MS. One that they can’t pretend they didn’t hear.
There’s a lot missing here that could be added, at the moment the main post is pretty biased and doesn’t give much insight into why you may or may not want to do anything it says to do.
There isn’t even anything describing the differences in what separate systems might collect (diagnostic systems vs functional for example).
Nothing describes what actual data is collected at each diagnostic level, how its handled, etc.
There isn’t even any description of how exactly they handle potentially sensitive info.
Telling people what they need to remove without giving them the background to make an informed decision doesn’t seem like the right method, but hopefully this isn’t blandly followed by people who don’t know better.
I can give some links to the sources these people you have cited have used (and interpreted in their own way).
Oh, the base of this guide was just what I looked up for myself, and logged the info here in a funny ranty way. I touched on a few things, given some sources (e.g. the windows versions and how they’re supported, Linus’ video on what data windows reports for what checkbox you have ticked, and an old wireshark vid of stuff that windows 10 used to phone home about even after being blocked).
But I would be super glad if you and/or the community explained, analysed, contributed to the info etc… Right now my spare time is spent learning PFSense/OPNSense and crazy cross-VM networking shenanigans…
Work will have to update to w10 soon. I’m evaluating the feasibility of running it in a VM. Then I’ll have both Linux and Win tools available and still retain control. Plus it will be ultra portable without having to relicense all of my software if I change computers.
Instead of modifying registry or hoping native software remains effective after updates, I’m curious if there’s an application aware firewall. Then I can allow known traffic out. The other traffic I need to allow through will be active directory and domain specific communication.
The I.T. dept. does fine, and I’m sure they will keep as tight a grip as possible on group policies.
Furthermore its a work laptop that I do not use for anything personal. So this is simply an exercise in controlling the OS, totally unnecessary.
Wsl is cool but in order to maintain control, id like to keep w10 in a container.
MS absolutely is being more transparent about their telemetry these days. They detail every piece of data they collect, and in the next bi-annual update (coming up in a month or two) you can even look at individual payloads via the new Diagnostic Data Viewer UWP app.
What they aren’t doing is allowing users to disable telemetry in a supported way . You need to hack through a bunch of registry entries and scheduled tasks to do that, which is basically what the OP here talks about automating as it’s a pretty annoying task to do by hand. That sucks.
Since they don’t support disabling it and are willing in their arrogance to disregard their users’ clear preferences, they turn the telemetry back on with every bi-annual update. So you need to remember to re-run whatever program or script you picked twice a year. That really burns me.
On a side note, while I’m sure the tools listed in the OP work perfectly fine, I personally use and recommend O&O Shutup10.
move everything else to linux. I fail to see how windows will remain an industry leader. Its easy or its easy to spy on people. Some people will not care but for the rest of us… Time to go.
