Hello guys,
since my current Laptop is already over 3 years old I finally want to build a new PC. I live in germany and i'm planning to order most of the parts on http://www.mindfactory.de/ (probably one of the best online shops for PC stuff in my country). The budget for the PC itself is around 800-900€ (~1000-1100$ or ~700 pounds) and because i'm moving from a laptop i obviously need a screen and a keyboard aswell. For those I want to spend around 200€.
Main purpose of my PC build is going to be gaming (in 1080p). At the moment I play Cs:Go most of the time but i want to play new games once i get my new PC (AC:Unity, BF franchise etc.). As a competitive FPS player i don't realy care about the highest settings but if I will play games like Unity i'd like to have some decent graphics :D. For now I don't want to go with a water-cooled system and i'm a little bit unsure about overclocking (I have no experience with it and i'd be thankfull if someone could give me advice if it would be benefical or unnecessary).
For the screen I don't want to get anything bigger than 24", it's the absolute max and I was tending more to a 21,5" or something like that (60hz should be ok ... 120/140 is just too expensive). If some of you guys have good expieriences with a keyboard (i'm playing fps games most of the time but I don't think that matters too much)... Mechanical, scissor, membrane, ... i'm pretty much free for everything good :). I already have a mouse, (mousepad) and a headset so I wont need one of these. OS should be Windows (just because of the games). I guess Windows 10 would be the best choice here ? I already did some research and one of the only things im 80% percent sure about is the GPU which is probably going to be a GTX 970 (most likely ASUS). I'm pretty unsure if I should go with Nvidia/ATI and Intel/AMD. At the moment im tending to a Intel/Nvidia build but again if someone could post his expieriences i'd be realy thankfull.
To sum up the basic things:
- PC:800-900€ (~1000-1100$ or ~700 pounds)
- Keyboard:~50€ (screen and keyboard aren't fixed. It could also be 140/60 or whatever but around 200€)
- Country/Shop: Germany - http://www.mindfactory.de/
- System: -Gaming PC, -no watercooling (maybe in the future), -not sure about overclocking yet
- Misc.: -not sure about SSD
- -Ultra settings aren't needed but would be nice for some games
- -I do have some knowledge to build a PC and a friend is going to help me
I just stepped over this Build from pcpartpicker http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/tYgXsY/great-gaming-build
It's basically what im searching for but the problem is that the parts cost the same in germany ... but in € so it would cost around 1000€.
Some feedback on this whole thing would be realy nice :)
~greetz Opti
Yeah the thing is, our € prices cannot be one on one translated to US prices. If you wanne build a similar setup like you have, in Germany or Holland, then you will sit arround the €1100,- price mark.
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/M8VcmG
partpicker germany sucks a bit. But atleast you can compair some parts. I would say check sites like hardware versand.de or Alternate.de, Because part picker does not show much parts.
What would be the best to downgrade if i want to get into the 800-900€ range ?
you could skimp out the SSD and the cooler for now, because that are parts that are not nessesaraly needed. And can be easaly added later on.
Further maybe a R9-290 instead of a GTX970, but yeah, then you will lose some performance in games on 1080p.
https://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/R9-290-OC-TRI-X-4-GB-GDDR5-Grafikkarte/html/product/1118438?
i assume you wanne stay with a GTX970.
http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/qmdHrH
Hm so the cooler is not THAT important? And yeah I kinda want to stick with the GTX970 ^^ also because of this Nvidia expierience stuff (shadowplay, ...). Whats with the mainboard ? would one around 80€ work out aswell and is there a big difference between the i5 4690K and the 4690?
Well the cooler is offcourse important wenn you wanne overclock, But if you run on stock speeds you are basicly fine with the stock cooler. You can allways upgrade the cooler later on if you like. So thats why i said an aftermarket cpu cooler is not nessesary needed now. But i would definitely recommend one in the future, cause stock coolers temp to be loud.
Diffrence between 4690K and 4690 is basicly that the K version is unlocked and overclockable on which the non k has a locked multiplayer, and allmost no overclocking possible.
If you dont care about overclocking, you could offcourse also grab a 4690 and a H97 motherboard, and save some cash. It will perform great anyway, only H97 does not support Sli. But that does not realy matter with a single gpu setup.
So yeah if you dont care about overclocking, then you could concider a 4690 with a H97 board. But i think that in the end, it will not be that much cheaper. But offcourse every buck is one.
Thank you :)
I knew that the "K" is unlocked :D but i wanted to know if there is a big difference between a overclocked and a "standard" 4690 :). Since i dont have any experience with overclocking i could imagine going with a normal 4690 and a little bit cheaper motherboard. My last question would be which gtx970 to choose :D. I heard that EVGA is one of the best and the ASUS one is pretty good aswell.
If you are not OC'ing , get a 1231V3 , cheaper than the i5 ; and pair it with a good H97 board .
EDIT : forgot the RAM ... Just imagine the SSD is 8GB ram http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Crucial-Ballistix-Sport-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit_794504.html
Screen : http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Monitors/120/144Hz-3D-Vision-Monitors/AOC-G2460FQ-6096-cm-24-Zoll-144Hz-Widescreen-DP-HDMI-DVI::28186.html
I value 120+ HZ, but if you want cheaper and IPS :
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Monitors/up-to-635cm-25/ASUS-MX239H-584-cm-23-Zoll-Widescreen-2x-HDMI-DVI-VGA::21581.html
Or just 60HZ TN : http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Monitors/up-to-635cm-25/Samsung-SyncMaster-S24D390HL-5994-cm-236-Zoll-HDMI-VGA::28288.html
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I do have a nearly new asus H97 plus + 1231V3 , still with box and proof of purchase from caseking , and I would willing fully let it go for ~290€ shipped as long as you can pay paypal .
Soo I did some research and built this one https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/b9e6272201f8fc62bad2bbc4633e5b853e3c366c7c424b12927 (hope you can see it ^^)
Any thoughts on it ? :D
Nothing ? ^^
At the moment im pretty sure about most parts but the only thing that keeps me thinking is which GTX 970 would be the best. MSI, EVGA, Gainward, Zotac, ... alot of poeple are saying different things about this topic and im a little bit confused.
Swap the H87 for H97 .
MSI is a good 970
Do you have your screen planned ?
If you already have a bit of storage , a 128 gb ssd can make a real difference .
Except for that , perfect !
Is there a big difference between the h87 and the h97? I want to save as much as possible ^^ (thats why i wont go for a SSD for now + I dont have other storage devices since im currently using a laptop :)).
And the 60hz screen that you posted looks good, ill probably buy that one.
H87 and H97 is not much of diffrence, besides that haswell refresh cpu´s like a 4690 will not work out of the box on a H87 board, but only on a H97 board. So if you are looking for a non K cpu, and you want a H87 mobo then grab a 4670 cpu.
diffrence between 4670 and 4690 is only 100mhz, you not gonne feel that in anyway so yeah. If you wanne cheap out just grab a i5-4670 + H87 board.
those xeon cpu´s like mentioned above, then grab a Xeon E3-1230V3 + H87 over a E3-1231V3 + H97
I just noticed that the 4690 (tray) is currently at 188€. What do you think if i go with that and buy a cooler from the money i save over the E3-1231V3 ? The xeon shouldnt be waay better i guess ?
Ok, so I decided to go with a i5-4670 + H87 just like MisteryAngel said. Since I can get a HDD from a friend (1TB) i also decided to buy a SSD.
These are my current parts: https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/20af5d220022c7a498dcd73af8304345722b994794cb4e06cf1
Basically the last thing I need to decide is if i want to buy the Fractal Define R4 case or the BitFenix Shinobi.
R4: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Fractal-Define-R4-gedaemmt-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_807433.html
Bitfenix: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/BitFenix-Shinobi-USB-3-0-Midi-Tower-ohne-Netzteil-schwarz_734345.html
I'll maybe add a CPU cooler aswell but that's it in general. Some critique would be very nice :)
EDIT: changed the link (replaced the MSI GTX970 with the Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 since the MSI is not available and the Gigabyte should be fine too).
I'm a little bit of a Fractal Design fanboy. I give a vote for the Define r4, although it's kinda hard to compare the Bitfenix Shinobi as they aren't really in the same price range.
No need for a CPU cooler since you're not overclocking. If the stock cooler gets too noisy, then look into one. With the silence optimized Define R4, you shouldn't really hear the stock fan.
I sticked with the Define R4 :). I also changed the 4670 to the 4690 (Tray) because the price of the 4670 increased over 30 €. (added the Thermalright Macho from the money i saved)
I've ordered all parts now and will probably post some pictures if all parts are ready. For screen and keyboard I bougth the Acer S242HLCBID and the Razer Deathstalker.
http://www.amazon.de/Acer-S242HLCBID-Monitor-Reaktionszeit-schwarz/dp/B005PLFAH2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417876549&sr=8-1&keywords=acer+24%22
http://www.amazon.de/Razer-RZ03-00800300-R3G1-DeathStalker-Gaming-Tastatur/dp/B009DYOQAY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417876613&sr=8-1&keywords=deathstalker
Thx for all the help :)
