I know I have asked a similar question but I need a solid answer and want to some it all up. Everyone is saying I will have trouble with the 4Gb on the Fury X even when crossfiring but Ive also had it explained that because of how superior HBM is it doesn't need as much to do the same thing, uain from tek syndicate told me that a single one would be no problem. I just don't know what to Ido ve seen all the reviews of people crossfiring the Fury X and it seems to run 4K just fine so I don't know what everyone is talking about I'm just at a loss. The R9 390X has not that many reviews and benchmarks in crossfire but it seems to perform well also. I was even told that if I crossfired my 7970 with a R9 280X it would run 4k on medium settings no problem so I just don't get it.
So if any one could clarify and give me cold hard facts on what I should go with Id greatly appreciate it.
VRAM really shouldn't be an issue even at 4K. Especially with HBM.
If it were me I would go in the middle. I'd grab an R9 Fury. Cheaper than a Fury X and with an OC it is almost as fast as the Fury X. Plus it is aircooled which is nice if you don't wanna put a rad in your case or have space for one.
I run Crossfire myself (two R9 290s) but generally I recommend that you go wit one GPU unless you're already at the top tier and need more.
I know I just have the opportunity to upgrade now and may not be able to in the future so figured I should go with 2 for future proofing and I have no problem spending extra for the X version I have room for the rads plus it has 500 more shader cores. So I'm trying to upgrade with the best performance and as much future proofing as possible.
I have the R9 295x2 which is similar to a crossfire 290x/ 390x, and it runs okay for 4k. If AMD are your options at 4k, I think the best choice right now would be a Fury (non-x), then crossfire them if you have to. Unless you can grab the 295x2 for cheap, or already have a 290x / 390x then cf them. But if you have no problems with the budget for a Fury-X setup, then it's up to you. Both fury cards scale really well with crossfire, so either one will work good with 4k. For cheapest option, get a 280x and crossfire it with your 7970, but you might have to lower video quality if gaming at 4k.
If you are at 4k, then the 8350 is fine. Look at benchmarks of crossfire Fury X. It doesn't have a problem with vram. Actually, it uses less per card in crossfire than with one card. Personally, I would go with the Fury X because I really like the cooling (gets the heat out of the case really effectively, meaning that in crossfire situations, it will do a lot better than something with air cooling as far as temps go). But the performance for the 390x crossfire is going to be really solid. Look at benchmarks comparing the 295x2 and the Fury X and that should give you an idea.
Your awesome your just verifying the research Ive done. I don't understand why every one has to bash AMD then tell me to get Intel or Nvidia, I mean lets give me shit and tell me to do something I'm not going to do instead of helping me find a solution. This really pisses me off every one wants to tell me how much AMD sucks instead of helping me shit is ridiculous.
When I mount both the Rads on the Fury X ill have to have one doing intake in the front and one exhausting out the back because I have a 240mm rad in the top.
Does any one know the difference between the Sabertooth R2.0 and the R2.0 GEN3? DO you think I'll get better performance out of the GEN3?
So you think I'll be fine with the 8350 and shouldn't grab a 9590 and should just wait for the new AM4 line to upgrade?
Also Ive looked at the benchmarks for the Fury X in crossfire and the 295x2 there really wasn't to many 390 X crossfire reviews but I really want to go with HBM. It seems people haven't done their research and doesn't understand what HBM and just want to bash AMD and say 4GB isn't enough, But like I said Quain from Tek Syndicate personally told me that HBM is a whole different beast and doesn't need as much vram to achieve the same performance of DDR5.
What Quain said is verified by the execs at AMD. I could find the link, but it was months ago and was sort of in passing, so it would be a bit of a pain to find again. Anyway, here are benchmarks at 4k. This is not with the Sabertooth gen 3, so obviously PCIe 2 isn't a problem. Also, from what I know, the Gen 3 Sabertooth thing didn't actually do anything useful, so don't worry about that. Honestly, the board I would look at is the new ASrock 970.
Now some games will always favor Intel, but for the most part, since 4k is so hard on GPUs, the choice of cpu doesn't really make any difference. Have a look.
Do take these benchmarks with a grain of salt, because the author does have an obvious bias. However, there is VERY little information about this sort of thing, so I can't really avoid using this article. I wish that Logan could make something like this with his 980ti and Fury (no SLI as I don't think he has 2 of each, but the comparison of one gpu is still important). So anyway, yeah, the 8350 is fine so long as you are doing 4k. At 1080p, it becomes a bottleneck.
Personally, I would do everything possible to make both rads from the Fury Xs go out. Do you have side vents or something? It isn't too big of a deal, but I am a bit of a temperature nut. That 240 in the top does make things more difficult. At least with my case, I would have one Fury rad in the back and the other on the side and then teh 240 on the top. All those with low rpm and then intake in the front with high rpm to make up for the fan deficit/neg air pressure.
I thought the 970's wer not as good as the 990's? Because I do want a new motherboard but can't find one as good as the sabertooth and black with neutral colors. But Ive only looked at 990fx either they don't handle High speed ram or there aren't enough Sata ports for all my Harddrives.
Unless you plan to overclock a lot, I don't think that there is any real reason to go with the 990fx over 970 so long as the vrms have decent heatsinks and the features that you need are there. Personally, I don't care what the inside of my system looks like. I have a black box with no windows or anything, but a black box. Lights and colors don't make anything perform any different, so I don't care. So because of that, off hand, I don't know of anything that would be the colors that you want, though MSI has been doing a lot of black and white stuff lately, so you might want to look there. Just make sure that it has the sata ports you need and all of that good stuff. I really like the m.2 slot on the ASrock 970 mobo and the low price. That is why I would go with it. But that is just me.
If you check my posts you'll find the benchmarks I get for 4k. I wrote a post on AMD 4k here
I think the 8350 is fine, but if you want to change it sell it on eBay and get an 8370e instead of the 9590. The 8370e's all clock to c.5 GHz and have low voltage leak.
Unless you are on sub ambient the 8370e is the better CPU. The 8370 oc's to 5 ish as well but with more voltage leak.
Water or air 8370e is better.
Also, I haven't seen a Fury system (privately) if someone has one can you do a Unigine bench @ 1080p and 4k please? I'm curious to see its OC performance in an enthusiast's system. The 980 Ti + AMD CPU works great at 4k, but you should go fury so I can see your bench's...
Don't worry about your 8350. I am running an overclocked 8370e + sabertooth R2.0 + 295x2, and my games hit 50+ fps on 4k, 120+ on 1440p. It really depends if the game is optimized well or not. With a Fury/X setup, it would be a lot better. Also bottlenecking has been a misnomer, people throwing it around to scare/ intimidate others. The system would be GPU-bound when playing at 1440p or higher resolutions. You would gain little fps when swapping CPU at these resolutions.
1920_1080p_1280_720p is right about the 970 motherboards vs 990fx, might as well get 970 unless you plan to overclock. Or get the one that would look good if you really prefer aesthetics.
I'm not into overclocking yet I mean I may do it when the warranties are up. I had a Fractal Define R4 with no window when I built my computer and felt the same don't care what it looks like but my mom in a fury slammed my door against the case and broke it so I got a Corsair 750D with a window and I actually like it a lot. I honestly hate LED fans plus the perform terribly but with the window now as I build my battle station I want to set my computer on my desk and I just want it to look good don't care about lights and stuff but might use some UV paint on some things and put a black light in it. As far as colors I hate red and can deal with most but looking for black and metallic and black and purple pieces but don't mind other colors as long as they are neutral like white, grey and so on.
I don't know how much you hate red lights, but I'm just warning you that the Fury X has a RED lighted logo. You might have to unplug that Radeon logo plate if you hate red.
I already know this I have a plan to mod this and am planning on making a materiel. Haven't decided yet if I will change the plastic or change the led's or put a film over it but it seems like it will be a fun simple mod and its nice to add your own personal touches like that.
remember what i told you about playing rather than fucking around with the components. This situation is exactly what i am trying to make you understand. Latest equipment = latest problems. I always keep 1 or 2 generations of high end behind; I am not the absolute fastest; just quite fast. but I am playing and having fun while others are still in forums trying to get everything to work. I understand you would like to make the right choice; that is why I am telling you start from the start. You can work just fine, to start with, with what you have. To me trying to make the absolute right move is just going to give you mare problems. As a technician, with over 30 years experience, getting the rigg at 99% is perfect, because trying to get it to 100% usually ends up not working at all.........................(IMO) relax, make your own experiences, and upon that base build. A good rigg is an ever growing process.