Building new PC after 6/7 years

Hello,

finally it’s time for me to upgrade my PC, currently running a i7 6700k with 16 gigs of ram and GTX 1070. Wanted to give AMD a go this time around so far I’m aiming for Ryzen 9 7950x on a ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E Mobo with 64 GB Kingston Fury Beast Black 5200 MHZ Memory and a 7900 XTX to top it off. However the more I read the more Intel/Nvidia pairing comes out on top at least for gaming and on current drivers for the i9 13900kf and RTX 4080 pairing. The price of those 2 pairs is pretty much the same here (Poland).

I’ve not yet selected a cooler for the CPU (wanted to go liquid but might wait a bit more cause I might be a bit short on money) and I’m thinking 1000W Gold PSU should be enough?

Then again there’s energy efficiency and raising energy prices the Intel/Nvidia pair seems to be cheaper in the long run then again the AM5 platform is more future proof…

Any hints, recommendations, questions. I’m still trying to select the parts nothings final, tho I am set on the top end CPU’s even tho for gaming they might not be necessary.

AMD isn’t mature right now, people often site future proofing as a reason to early adopt but too many downsides to bleeding edge if you ask me

But hey if you want to upgrade now go for it
“The best PC is the one you have”
-Linus Sebastian

They both have lots to tinker with in their own ways
One things for sure, don’t skimp out on cooling

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Going either way intel or amd is basically fine.
The intel cpu´s are indeed better for gaming in certain titles.
However it highly depends on the said games you play and what resolution.
You seem to be firmly set on the high end cpu´s on both platforms.
So i´m gonna leave my opinion on other sku´s out of the equation for now.
Unless you are interested in my take on that in regards to gaming.
Because i think that in regards to value for money the 13700K(F) and 7900X,
could also be interesting really.

1000W gold psu from a reputable brand is of course totally fine.
I personally prefer EVGA or Seasonic.

In regards to am5 boards it really is a matter of what is important to you,
in terms of connectivity features.
With Intel Z790 boards those are generally a bit better balanced in regards to features.
And sometimes cheaper as well.
however in the realm of an entire build the cost differences of the board itself,
between Amd en Intel is marginal.

Both Intel and AMD have their pro´s and con´s.
Like Intels power consumption and AMD´s AM5 board prices.

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It’s hard to recommend either the RTX 4080 or RX 7900 XT(X) at their current price/performance.

If you have a 4K 120+Hz panel and you need the absolute best-of-the-best with maxed out RT settings, etc. and money is no object, just get an RTX 4090.

Otherwise, if you need 24GB VRAM and/or CUDA for occasional productivity work, look for an RTX 3090 or 3090 Ti around $900.

Otherwise, if you strongly prioritize RT/DLSS, look for an RTX 3080, 3080 12GB, or 3080 Ti around $700–800. To be absolutely clear, if you’re just gaming it doesn’t make sense to step up to a 3090 from this price point. Also please note that this is the tier most likely to see significant price cuts or at least price volatility when the AD104-based RTX 4070 and 4070 Ti launch in January and/or if NVIDIA lowers prices on AD103 silicon.

Otherwise, the best high-end value right now is an RX 6800 XT around $530–560, or possibly an RX 6900 XT around $600. Don’t pay any more than that for a binned 6900 XTX(H) or 6950 XT; a 6900 XT at $600 is already past the point of diminishing returns.

I have more notes for e.g. high-refresh 1440p, entry-level CUDA, mid-range value, etc., but you appear to be shopping on a champagne budget so I’ll leave it there.


DDR5 is a non-starter for me today due to lack of 64GB DIMMs, lack of single-rank 32GB DIMMs, poor 2DPC scaling on both LGA1700 and AM5, etc.

AM5 is a non-starter for me today due to poor IOMMU groupings and limited PCH bandwidth. I am waiting for an AM5 platform with a PCIe Gen4 x8 or Gen5 x4 chipset link before considering an upgrade.

I am also flummoxed by this generation of both Intel and AMD consumer platforms due to the lack of PCIe Express Graphics (PEG) bifurcation. It used to be that every ~$200 board could run two expansion cards connected to the CPU at x8. Now it’s a $500+ board feature. I’m hopeful this will normalize again once PCIe Gen5 matures and PCB manufacturing technology has a chance to catch up.

If you aren’t bound by such requirements, more power to you. Please note that the sweet spot for AM5 is DDR5-6000 (CL38 or better) and you should look for a kit with EXPO (AMD’s XMP-like standard for DDR5 on AM5).


One last note: the i9-13900K(F) is kind of bonkers. It gives the impression that it only exists so Intel can say, “Yes, we also have a 32-thread part on consumer desktop.” If you have a good use-case for all those E-cores, go nuts. If you don’t, I think the 13700K(F) is a much better value. I actually really like the 13600K(F) and 12600K(F) because you can overclock the heck out of the six P-cores with a modest thermal solution and you still get eight or four E-cores respectively.

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I too, would recommend to be cautious when it comes to adopting a new platform early. I went with first gen Ryzen and had stability issues under Windows 10 and had to tinker a lot with the RAM settings.

Maybe you could consider looking at an AM4 CPU + DDR4 memory, or an Intel equivalent. This would save you money. I recommend to get an efficient PSU, because of the high energy prices here in Europe, especially now. A gold certified PSU sounds like a good idea for gaming.

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Thanks for all the replies you guys make some valid points there, tbh I myself was a bit on the fence with adopting the newest gen, but my aim was to get a stable 4k 60 fps experience in games like CP2077, and the new cards seem to be perfect for that. 4090 is a bit too expensive even for the power it offers. I think the price difference is even bigger here cheapest PALIT RTX 4090 is 9,5k PLN while PALIT RTX 4080 is 6,5k, considering the msrp’s are 1600$ and 1200$, the 4080 seems better value and it pretty much matches basic 7900 XTX models starting at about 6,2 PLN and up to 7k for OC models. My funds aren’t unlimited and I need to buy a 4k monitor to go with this setup so my total funds are at current exchange rate about upper limit 4200 USD. Tho I plan to add things as time passes, more RAM, more monitors. some liquid cooling, maybe a better case. One more thing that speaks for the 7900 XTX is it’s size as it will fit in my current Fractal case, not sure about the new RTX’s.

Tbh I am a bit overwhelmed with the choices at this moment, on one hand I want something that will last me a long time and that’s as close to that cutting edge, high resolution, high frame rate gaming as possible on the other there’s many unknowns for the new models and I wanna be reasonable with the money spent. For example I keep reading that the Ryzen 7 5800x3d is a very good gaming cpu and pair that with a mobo and I save already about 700 USD.

So yeah, if you guys wanna write more stuff and what you think about current options I’ll be really glad, I’ll read through everything, aggregate the info, think it over and then finally decide on a purchase. Ideally I’d want to have the new rig built in January.

Thank you for your replies, they help a lot.

Well yeah i kept that out of the equation in my first post.
But the 5800X3D is indeed still a very strong gaming cpu.
And with current prices of DDR4 and am4 X570 boards being pretty cheap.
It definitely could be a very interesting money saver.
However the AM4 platform is of course EOL which means,
there will be no cpu upgrade options for it any more.
So that is something you should also take in consideration as well.

However i also wanne point out that rumours are going around,
that AMD might announce X3D models of the 7000 series cpu’s as well in Q1 from 2023.
So i would definitely advice to wait for that if you are still planning.

In regards to intel is still a good choice as well.
But for 4K gaming i think that the 13700K will offer you,
better value for money over the 13900K really.
Because at 4K you will be more gpu limited any ways.

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unless you’re gaming at 480p on a 4090, I’d argue CPU doesn’t matter (to and extent) at 4K the frame rate will be low enough the CPU is hardly a factor

if you can find a close out price on a good x570, 5800X3D and some ram I’d say jump on it and ride it out until 3rd or 4th gen AM5 when things get both real mature and real crazy

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Started to look at the 5800x3d build but then I noticed the 13700kf is pretty much same price. The more I look into this the more confused I get… :sweat_smile:

In the end I do think that something that speaks for the AM5 platform is that even if the 7950X turns out not to be the best I still got chance to swap it out for something else in the years to come (at least through 2025).

Then again the 5800X3D build would be pretty much half the price of 7950X which is also important…

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Look at it this way: Yes, a 4080 is ~40% faster than a 3080, but it costs ~70% more money. Bad value.

For context, a 3080 is ~60% faster than a 2080, and they both cost $700 at launch. Good value.

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Well cheapest 3080 seems to be 4500 PLN and cheapest 4080 6500 PLN here, that’s what 45-ish % more? The prices in Poland differ a lot to the MSRP.

Let’s go back to the basics here; What is your use case? Spending $1200+ on a 4080 is kinda pointless if you’re going to use it for casual Counter Strike, League of Legends and the occasional Cyberpunk one-off on a 4k@60 Hz monitor. Honestly, a $350 RX 6700 XT makes much more sense for that use case and then just pop in a new GPU for $400-$500 in a few years. That would save you around $300-$500 over the course of three years.

Here are three balanced systems. Feel free to add/remove as you see fit:

First Opton: High End Intel Gaming Build

CPU isn’t the best, but money wise and tradeoff wise, this is one hell of a deal. This PC is pretty much all you will need for gaming the next 5 years, with the exception of the GPU. Should be a flawless 1440p system for another 3 years or so, if you do 4k you might want to upgrade the GPU when the RDNA4 GPUs are released, and otherwise it could last you until RDNA5.

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5 13600K (14 cores, 20 threads) $319.98
CPU Cooler ARCTIC Freezer i13 X $29.99
Motherboard MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI ATX $247.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws S5 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 CL36 $144.99
Storage ADATA Swordfish 2 TB m.2 PCIe 3.0 $134.74
Video Card PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6700 XT $369.99
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 $65.98
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold 850W $159.99
Total $1473.65

Option Two: High End AMD/Nvidia Combo

This has two big advantages over the similarly specced Intel system - An Nvidia GPU that is slightly more powerful than the 6700 XT, and the possibility to upgrade only CPU to the latest AMD socket in three years. Do note Nvidia GPUs are at least $200 more than corresponding AMD cards in most tiers.

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8 cores 16 threads $339.99
CPU Cooler ARCTIC Freezer 7 X CO $34.19
Motherboard Gigabyte B650E AORUS MASTER $349.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws S5 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 CL36 $144.99
Storage ADATA Swordfish 2 TB m.2 PCIe 3.0 $134.74
Video Card Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti $729.00
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 $65.98
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold 850W $159.99
Total $1958.87

Option 3: The Be(a)st, but not of the Best

This is it, the creme de la creme, the FPS muncher, and pretty much the best consumer PC money can buy today before we enter the realm of custom cases, DIY water cooling and so on. 4k on this baby is like running a 1080p on a 2080 Ti - a downright insult to the card. Get an 8k monitor or go home already bro! :grin: Still trying to keep it within the realm of reason, of course, but yes… This will last you for the next 5 years, if not 10 years, without a hitch. And the best part is that you will be able to drop in upgrade to the 10950X, due to be released by AMD in 3 years or so!

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16 cores 32 threads $569.80
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 $89.90
Motherboard Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI $349.99
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws S5 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 $359.99
Storage Kingston KC3000 2 TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 $192.99
Storage Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 $314.99
Video Card MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 $1799.99
Case Fractal Design Focus 2 $65.98
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000W $194.99
Total $3938.62

None of the above examples are wrong, but in general, gaming should be good with 8 cores for the foreseeable future, 64 GB should be enough RAM to give a great experience and the 4090 for gaming is like buying a ferrari for the sole purpose of driving it to the Church every sunday. You could, but it’s just way too much money for such a mundane task.

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Optional build

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 4.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($568.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($349.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory ($244.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston KC3000 2.048 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($192.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Red Devil Limited Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card ($1629.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($194.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3271.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-30 03:34 EST-0500

Real pricing in Poland is a bit different than in the US, this is final brutto price. Which is 15309 PLN that’s around 3402 USD. The Red Devil 7900 XTX is about 1555 USD while the 4090 you recommended is 2555 USD, prices in Poland are crazy… 23% VAT etc… Don’t need a case as I got one, also got plenty of storage so even that 2 TB SSD while very nice and prob would grab it, it can wait for later.

What I need the most is:
CPU
COOLER
MOBO
RAM
GPU
PSU
4k Monitor or 1440p if I go for the cheaper build.

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Quite honestly, such a build is getting close to workstation territory - not bad by any means, but you might be overspending a bit compared to what you need it for. If you do a ton of content creation and/or programming on this computer, go right ahead! If you do not, you are overspending on a gaming rig.

This, of course, is not a problem if you have the money and just want to build a damn cool computer. That’s fine too. Just trying to help you save a couple of thousand dollars. :slight_smile:

Anything above a 6700 XT almost require a 4k screen to make the most of the video card. So do take this into account.

Here is a quick geizhals.eu build, instead - ordering from Germany should be possible for you right?

Part Model Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 7950X €599,00
Cooler Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black €99,00
Motherboard ASUS Prime X670E-Pro WIFI €378,00
RAM Corsair Vengeance Black 2x16 GB DDR5-6000 CL36 €143,90
Graphics Card Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX €1199,00
PSU EVGA SuperNova GT 1000W €153,99
Storage Kingston KC3000 2TB €190,90
Total €2863,79

As for screens, wish I could advice but I’m still rocking a slow-ass 1440p@75 Hz. Hopefully this information helps though!

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Well yeah if it is mainly about 4K gaming then i would advice to look at different cpu´s really.
i mean the 7950X is a nice workstation cpu.
But for gaming at 4K i don´t really see much reasons to grab it over like the 7900X really.
I would spend that additional €100,- ish else where like the gpu for example.

The 7900X is a sensible choice because it´s the second most powerful cpu in the AMD line.
So it that regards it offers better value for money if you don´t need,
the absolute heavy cores for multi threaded workloads like rendering.

I would say take a look at the 7900X vs 13700K (F).
Those really offer better value for money when it comes to a gaming rig really.
Especially for 4K on which you will be more gpu limited.
I would spend the money you safe into a better gpu or a nice monitor or what not. :slight_smile:

Or wait for the up coming X3D versions of the 7000 series cpu´s.
Although won´t likely be cheap.

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Can someone tell me in what way is B650E worse than X670E? The price difference is huge for the ROG’s 2500 pln vs 1600 PLN, the B650E ROG is same price as the PRIME X670E-PRO here. Which I should go for ?

From what that ASUS comparison site says the B650E ROG is way better than the PRIME X670E-PRO or am I wrong?

Okay so if I understand this correctly X670E chipset got more total bandwidth on the different kinds of ports than the B650E? So then even if B650E ROG got more ports/slots than the X670E PRIME it cannot utilize them all at the same time? Then what’s the point… I think I’m misunderstanding something.

Okay so after comparing the motherboards again:

X670E ROG - fully utilizes the X670E chipset
B650E ROG - fully utilizes the B650E chipset
X670E PRIME - partly utilizes the X670E chipset

and if the B650E ROG is same price as X670E PRIME wouldn’t it be better to get the B650E ROG? Or is there something else I’m missing?

In general, B650E and X670E is the same chipset - But the X670E has two of them while B650E only has one. B650E usually also comes with less ports on the back of the motherboard and might have less fan controllers and stuff like that. This is in general, however.

The differences that stick out to me:

  • PRIME 670E has 2.5 GB Realtek instead of Intel
  • ROG B650E has 4 USB 2.0 ports in the back, ROG 670E has a whopping 12 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports + USB C
  • ROG B650E and X670E has 16+2 VRMs, while PRIME 670E has a slightly weaker VRM combo at 14+2 - irrelevant unless overclocking though.

Other than that, I can’t really find any significant differences. If you think the B650E is good enough for your purposes go for it!

ROG is a higher tier than PRIME in Asus’s product stack, so there’s always a chance that a lower-end ROG board will cost more than a higher-end PRIME board.

They’re pretty much same price here 20 USD more for the ROG B650E over the PRIME X670E. If it’s really just about overall amount of ports and bandwidth on said ports I think I’ll go with the B650E ROG, the X670E ROG is too expensive and B650E actually got more ports than the X670E PRIME.

I also went with the cheaper Kingston RAM managed to grab some sale after someone returned it to store it might be only 5200 MHZ but for a 6000 MHZ I’d pay more than double, and that’s too much for such little gain. Managed to grab the Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler cheap so saved about 50$ on both over normal store price.

Wanted to get the SeaSonic PSU but they’re all sold out here, thinking of going Corsair 1000W Gold instead, similar price pretty good opinions overall, unless someone got better recommendation.

Really tempted to wait for the 7950X3D if the rumours are true it’s going to be 100$ more expensive with much better performance?

I can also recommend EVGA
They also have some really good units as well.