AMD Vs Intel

Hardware Hub CPU
1

Hey,

About three months ago my friend told me that he wanted to build a computer so i assembled a list for him to order which consisted of the 8350. I gave him the list and he kept putting off ordering it because he wanted it to be cheaper so i looked at the list to see what i could change. A few days ago he went to a local computer store to see if they could do it cheaper than the internet. He doesnt really know anything about computers so now the people in the store have convinced him that amd is shit and it breaks in a day and that he should get an i7 because intel is just so much better. So really i am asking if there is any truth to this which i am pretty sure there isnt and then i can show my friend this so he stops being an idiot.

Thanks

(Sorry about the long message i just had to give the background for some reason...)

2

iintel is generally not as overclockable

3

amd vs intel all depend on your needs

if he just wanna game and multitask tell him to go for amd (i also picked up amd fx 8350 in january)

if he wants to play quad core  pc games or edit vedios go for intel

thats what i have heard i multi task , vedio edit and play games

and i am doing all that on fx 8350

 my brother has i5 its all about ur budget ur needs !

so the aswer is if he is low on budget and wants the job to be done or wants to overclock fx 8350

else intel is the deal for him

or else show him this vedio

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-oc-vs-i5-3570k-oc-battle-continues

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-best-amd-fx-8350-gaming-rig-1200

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks

 

 i hope i helped u

4

*shakes head*

It all comes down to how much you want to spend.

AMD is cheaper, but Intel is better in MOST respects,but you pay for it.

NEVER go into a mom n pop store and ask what you need. All they are going to do is sell you the highest priced shit they have. TRUTH.

Educate yourself and save yourself hundreds of dollars.

5

ask him does he want to spend more to get the same performance and achieve the same goal, the answer should become clear. it's very rare that a processor will die, if they die it's usually always from a form of neglect or another component/aspect failing. things like bad thermal paste, fan bearing dying out, cheap psu fried(electrical brown out/jolt/surge), dust bunnies/air flow or a fubar motherboard. this generation of cpus(fx am3+990fx vs icore lga1155 z77) is pretty much the same speed and performance with a major cost difference.

6

1. your friend is a fool/sheep

2. Dont trust the bastards from the store/hardware store because they tell shit and want to sell expensive stuff

3. AMD is way to go in gaming and multitasking, it may not compare core versus core but it has more cores...

4. i7 3770k costs almost double or more than double compared to FX 8350

5. FX 8350 in some cases beat the i7 3770k and games in future will use multi-threading(atleast for an AI, I think ARMA2 uses it somehow)

6. Intel spends less power than AMD but there is no huge difference in bills in USA except outside.. other countries that arent warmongering

7. Tell your friend that Intel did dirty tricks towards AMD since 2001 ultil 2007, Intel is only better because it sabotaged AMD

8. Also tell your friend that Intel made the worst CPU ultil recently, it was even behind NEC and Cyrix...

9. Intel is for doing some complex science but for gaming go with an AMD FX 8350 since its an 8 core = future proof for next 6 years

10. Intel is like Apple, you pay too much for the quality. AMD can compare with it in quality but it beats it in price for performance and overclocking

11. Slap your friend or actually punch him in the face for being an idiot and believing the person you shouldt believe in not even in death

12. Laugh at him

7

Man you really hate intel, just because a CPU has 8 cores doesn't mean its "futureproof".

scientific computing and simulations -> more cores the merrier. 



Games -> Not so much.

 

8

That post is so full of garbage.

1. If he is uneducated it does not make him a fool or sheep. I would tend to believe people, that should know what there talking about. 

2. Buisness is buisness, if you are uneducated you deserve to spend more. Its not the buisness fault for trying to make money.

3. Both AMD and Intel make good chips for both applications. For BUDGET multicore application AMD is a better choice, but for higher grade systems or if you make money using your PC and time matters to you Intel does offer faster options with its 6 core and 8 core processors. They are a quite a bit faster. For gaming, nothing wrong with an i5 or 8350k. Both do the job very well.

4. Not even close to double. Intel AMD

5. Thats true. Some things do run better with true 8 cores.

6. Agreed

7. This isnt new news or relevant news. AMD was the first company to try and attain 1000 dollars for a chip. Does that make them the original money hungry bastards. Its buisness. 

8. I dont even understand how this makes any sense. Core 2 duos, 1366 all where very good chips and they go back a few years now. Also, it doesnt matter if AMD made the best chips for a long time then made a garbage one, why would you buy it? Buy what is best for now.

9. Gaming isnt close to using 8 cores. And when it is, the fact the cores are weaker will make it useless anyway. When 8 cores are needed both AMD and Intel will most likely make chips with enough cores and power to run them well.

10. Arguing that Intel is like apple is very silly. Apple overcharges for fancy looking things and preys on uniformed customers. Intel is priced according to the market, there 320 dollar chip is 320 dollars worth of performance. If AMD's chip was way faster and better, guess what... they would charge more. They are not dumb.

11,12. Pretty childish dont you think.

To the OP. Just prove it to him, with videos and benchmarks. Educate him, if he contiunes to want intel. Let him waste his money.

9

Actually its the opposiet, the AMD can go from 4.0 (stock base clock) to about 4.8 on average, the intel can go from a base of 3.4 (stock clock) to about 4.7 on average, and when both Oc'd to the same speed in Mhz the Intel takes the cake.

10

Intel takes the cake? Where?

11

with both Oc'd to the same clock so lets say both processor are at 4.8Ghz, the i5 actualy outperforms the 8350 in quite a few things, as its only an 800Mhz clock speed bump for the 8350 while its a 1400mhz clock bump for the i5, and since both perform about equal at stock clocks its kind of obvious that the processor with the 600mhz clock speed advantage is going to perform better.

12

i agree with djblackskull

13

i agree with hopperbus

i had pentium 4 it did the job

so did amd athlon !

 

14

i just read all that

and yes this guy is right

both amd and intel chips do the job !

they only thing is u wanna spent more or not

15

To bring this back on track...

 

1) the fact the store told your friend to get an i7-3770k for gaming says all you need to know.  

-The i7-3770k benches and games identically to an i5-3570k, or even (when everyone is overclocked) an i5-2500k.  Hyperthreading does not help  when gaming.  so whatever advantage the i7 might have in multithreaded tasks is null and void.  Since you pay an extra $100+ dollars for that i7, i think we all know what the motives of the store people are.

2) the only reason a merchant of any type would say Product X is junk, is if they didn't carry Product X.  Most merchants on hearing your friend was there to look at an AMD FX 8350, would say "sure, come right this way." in hopes to sell a computer.  The store that doesn't have any AMD computers on the other hand will say "you don't want one of those, they're junk."  Again, in the hopes of selling him a computer.  If they say "we don't have one, he'll walk out the door, if they say "you don't want that, this is better" they might sell a PC.  simple sales techniques my friend.

3) Your advice with the FX 8350 was a little flawed in the first place.  If your friend's main goal was gaming, not $$ or several of the unique uses an AMD is better then an Intel, then you should have pointed him at an i5-3570k.  They're so close to the same price as to make no difference... and while there will be a few games where an AMD will be better, and a few tasks/aps/situations where the AMD will be better, generally the Intel will outperform the AMD by a little bit.  Better advice would have been an FX-8320; as at that price point, intel has no answer, and it overclocks as well as the fx8350 (its an undervolted 8350, as it's not binned, for $30 less).  By going for the flagship you opened up the performance debate, and now, i fear nothing you tell your friend will work anymore.  You've lost credibility i think, and he'll doubt whatever you have to say about pcs from now on.  especially since all he needs to do is google search fx8350 vs i5-3570k. 

4) be honest with him about the issue.  Be honest about the store and their unknowledgeable advice, and be honest about your own bad advice.

5) as to the heart of his question, is AMD junk chips?  No... I've used AMD for 2 decades now (on an intel at the moment so i've used both)... and i've NEVER had a CPU fail.  Dozens of CPUs, dozens of pcs build, for friends and myself, and never once has a cpu been bad.  I've had bad ram, hard drives, gpus, motherboards and psus... never once a bad cpu.  Its a joke argument.  You'll notice if you check around there are no articles about junky CPUs... it's a stupid argument made by a salesman trying to sell a pc.  Not a knowledgeable one.

16

Whay he said...

17

sidenote: since your friend wanted it cheaper 3 months ago... you should have opened up the possibility of an FX6300 or FX8320.  When overclocked both chips are an insane deal.

18

Ok, tell your friend, that as somebody whos worked in computer shops for 20+ years, I can testify that as long as you use quality parts rather then bargin basement crap, AMD is just as reliable, if not more so then intel.
.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           I say more so because, Intel had a few chipsets in the past that had serious issues, they in recent history had one chipset that required you to RMA your board if you didnt want the onboard sata ports to die on you.
.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           AMD is FAR FAR FAR easier to deal with if you do for some reasion have to rma a chip, they pay shiping both ways, they are quick and polite.
.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Intel RMA process more times then not over the years has consisted of me calling daily asking why the replacement hasnt shipped, argueing when some idiot intel low level tech tried to say the chip died due to overclocking(most systems we have built over the years with intel never got so much as a 1mhz oc yet they argue.)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
intel have had more socket related issues then amd due to moving their desktop socket to LGA rather then PGA, pins on the board get bent and you have to rma the board, not so with amd, infact these days, bent cpu pins that are bent enough to be an issue(crushed) are pretty rare!!!  if a pin gets crushed so bad you cant fix it, you just gotta get a new chip not pull the whole system apart(again its very very rare to crush a pin unless you really really sucky at working on computers)  its far easier to bend a pin on the board, i mean you still have to screw up but.....i have seen good tech's accdently bend a pin...and you jsut cant fix them most of the time, not without special tools to remove and replace the pin anyway.
.                                                                                                                                                                     
AMD has an advantage on PCI-E lanes, intels equivlantly priced boards tend to not have 2 full 16x 2.0 slots as well as a 4x and 8x slot, if they do they have a PLX chip that adds latancy and can lead to more microstutter problems if you have dual videocards(speciall SLI....it can be truely horrible with sli) 
.                                                                                                                                                                     
the fact is, I have seen alot of bad boards for both companies, and thats where some of the rep comes from, fry's bundles with HORRIBLE boards they got cheap.
 .                                                                                                                                                                    
Once talked to a guy who shipped stuff to frys 3 times a week from the local shipping port, many times the stuff frys bought, was from shipping containers that had leaked/broken open on the trip across the ocean......it explains why I have gotten brand new boards from them in brown boxes and then found that the board had signes of moisture corrosion....(sp)
.
it also explains why I dont use bargin basement frys boards....lol
 .                                                                                                                                                                    
to the OP, whats your budget?  possibly I could help trim a few places and still get you high quality parts(its what im really really good at, always got friends asking for help tweaking a build....lol) 
.                                                                                                                                                                     

edit: this forums software SUCKS, keeps removing my formatting, so i added . on blank lines ot try and break up the walloftextfromhell......
 .                                                                                                                                                                   
honestly, TS should try fluxbb or phpbb or something, whatever this is, it SUCKS.