90% of the Hype is Rumor Mill Generated, AMD didn't generate much/any of it.
Well... While the 980 TI has 2gb of VRAM more, the Firy has HBM. Think of VRAM as a reservoir and the bandwidth as the tunnel. HBM is 4096 bit where as GDDR5 for a single GPU maxes out at 512 bits meaning that more stuff is able to pass through that tunnel with HBM so in theory 4gb of HBM in more intensive tasks would perform better than 8gb of GDDR5 with the same architecture. I would say for now, the 980 TI is king, but correct if I'm wrong but don't you use KVM? It can be a real pain to configure with an Nvidia GPU if you can at all. I would say with future drivers the Fury X will out the 980 TI however.
HBM is the future. That's how I see it. Once it starts going mainstream, and becomes more developed than it already is, it's going to change things. (And for more DDR4 systems, since DDR3 might end up being a bottleneck for it.)
My only complaint towards to Fury X is the watercooler, while it does the job, and does it very well, I'm still very cautious about water cooling, and I like mah air coolers. However, the R9 Nano... now that is a sexy thing.
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I want to see way better single threaded performance out of their new CPUs, if it stays on the same socket (AM3+ I think) would swap my FX-8320 in a heartbeat.
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It won't. AMD has mentioned it will be on the AM4 socket. the 990FX chipset doesn't support DDR4 or PCi-E 3.0. Zen will have support for all the latest features. Like USB 3.1 Type C, M.2 SSDs, DDR4 and More PCi-E lanes. and rumors are stating that these processors are finally going to be efficient.
Tch, such is life, still interested though.
So we're ignoring UHD/4K benchmarks? I sure hope not. Comparing these cards at 1080p and even 1440p is ridiculous. It's like making a world-class marathon runner do a 100m sprint. The dude trained to run 26 fuckin' miles without stopping, he's not going to be fast in the 100m. Similarly, Fiji XT was built to endure UHD/4K+ and it does so incredibly well. In 1080p and 1440p you're splitting frames that exceed playable, so why the hell bother?
Personally I'm debating what to do for my next upgrade.
On one hand I could get a 8320/9590, more ram new gpu and put out a lot less money than the main alternative of building a new x99 system (i do a fair bit of video work and my 1090T just cant handle 4k) which would cost me a LOT more money (big issue when you are self employed) and I personally don't like the way that intel does business.
or I wait & hope AMD come out with a new CPU lineup sometime soon, which doesn't seem likely.
We already know that in the not too distant future 4gb's V-ram is just not going to cut it for 4k. Textures are getting huge, and a higher speed interconnect still won't compensate for having to store gigabytes upon gigabytes of textures. 6gb's on the 980 ti will help that card endure when the 4gb fury can't. And considering that the Fury is going for wayyyy more then MSRP, almost exclusively over $700, its more expensive then 980 ti's which are staying relatively close to MSRP. Plus, even at 4k and UHD, its only beating the 980 ti out by a frame or two, when both cards aren't overclocked. When both are, the Nvidia stuff beats it out by a handful of frames. Its not a huge difference when overclocked, but the Fury X was beating the 980 ti by less then that when not overclocked. And if your going to buy either of these cards and not overclocked them, your out of your mind. You don't blow $650+ on a gfx card and not squeeze every frame you can out of it.
And that's only where it only shines. you'd have to think of it from this standpoint. for a 980ti which is $649, comes with 6GiB of VRAM, beats the fury everywhere else other than 4K has custom cooling you can choose whatever you like. and a Fury X which is the exact same price, comes with a water-cooler (mind you not everyone is a fan of water-cooling, AND doesn't come with a custom cooler) don't you think someone is going to grab a 980ti? it overclocks higher and doesn't close you in with overclocking. sure AMD says "Why the hell would you want to OC your HBM? it's high enough.. Well my argument is Why the hell not? you tell us its an overclockers dream but we can only touch the Core clocks? pssh..
Also to add on to the fact that we know an 8GiB VRAM card should be coming in the not-so-distant future. the Fury X is not really something to invest onto right now.
That isn't something that has been completely tested yet, but I feel you may be proven wrong as drivers mature. nVidia has proven time and time again that you can force slower interconnects into performing better by compressing data. If AMD takes advantage of something similar I feel that increased texture size would become a very small issue that crops up in poorly coded games alone (and maybe GameWorks games.)
So it's "only" a couple frames when it's AMD, but when it's a couple frames for nVidia it's an outright "beating". Little bit of a bias in the wording.
I agree with this, personally. Even low end cards can be spruced up with a bit of overclocking to increase their usable value. However; I know a lot of people who baby their parts when they have to spend lots of money on them. Not everyone is a die-hard overclocker looking to bust benchmarks.
This is unfortunate, and the retailers did the same thing for the R9 290X which by February of 2014 was selling for $900 on Amazon and Newegg. I feel that there is some connection in the background being made where nVidia very closely manages how retailers are to sell their cards, and AMD doesn't.
The difference isn't that Nvidia is beating out AMD by a couple more frames and thats it, its an across the board win for Nvidia. When we talk about non-overclocked, it's not a complete victory in every game for the Fury X. Some games are a bit faster on Fury X and some are a bit faster on 980 ti. When we talk about overclocked results, its every game is won by a couple frames on 980 ti. Fury X hasn't been overclocking that well, but 980 ti consistently has been getting huge gains on almost every card. 980 ti's have been over 1300mhz on seemingly every card, while Fury X's have had nothing but very minor gains.
This is completely untrue. It is a supply problem more then anything, that isn't as applicable on the Nvidia side. 980 ti's were hard to come by launch day, but retailers like Newegg and Amazon actually had cards. Fury X launched and Neither NCIX, Amazon, or Newegg had any cards. Linus talked about this on Wan show, and made an educated guess that there were only a thousand or so Fury X cards in the US on launch day. Source: Wan Show Recording
more about their zen socket...
worth stating amd has to go to LGA (resign from PGA already dammit) Put the cost of pins on mobo makers.
Intel figured it out quite fast why can't you amd? Its money saver.
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It is, but then again we as customers are taking the hit. you can get quality AMD boards for around 120ish or so dollars. they put the cost of Pins on motherboard makers, boom $150-ish or so dollars we have to spend.
This also would make people way less scared when holding their amd processor. I know the first time I installed an 8350 I was scared to death of bending one of those pins. Its a small benefit, but for the noobs its nicer to have it on board instead of on chip.
Both are $649 and so long as you aren't spending your extra cash padding Newegg's pocket, you can still find it for that price elsewhere (in stock is another thing.) 6GB of VRAM is very nice, but isn't the idea of having that much to make UHD/4K and multi-panel much easier? Sure you could be buying a $650 card with 6GB of VRAM to max out Skyrim with 500 mods, but that's a 4 year old game that can already be played on 7 year old hardware. Not much of a justification... (That wasn't your argument, but it is a lot of others')
Now, watercooling vs third party... It is a very big plus for both sides but for different reasons. On nVidia's side they are giving people the freedom of choice. This is undoubtedly a thing that is full of beauty and makes the 980 Ti an awesome pick for enthusiasts. They get a badass card in their favorite flavor. (Although right now it seems like the selection is limited.)
On AMD's side they are giving people the Ford treatment. They know the card rocks, they know they built it right and they won't let anyone touch it. Any color you like so long as it's black and all that. However, from a performance standpoint the card runs very cool and very quiet (barring the coil whine from some samples.) The water cooling, as expected, blows traditional air cooled cards out of the water on thermals.
What is really great about the Fury X is that AMD does actually give you the freedom of choice. You can choose a 980 Ti instead. I'm sure they'll understand.
Linus also uses Titan X's to counterbalance $8,000 in server hardware while he ghetto rigs coolers with zip-ties. I can't say he's wrong this time, but he's not always right.
To clarify, the R9 290X was in fact $900 in February 2014, and it was because of retailers hiking prices. AMD had no hand in that. The cards were fully in stock by then and the only reason they were overpriced was due to miners buying them in bulk. Newegg, Tigerdirect, and sellers on Amazon were cashing in by selling Bitcoin/Litecoin shovels. Since it seemed like you were calling that bit a lie, I felt I'd make it more clear.
Sockets F, C32, and G34. AMD has been doing LGA since 2006. They know they need to switch to LGA in the desktop space, they're just being slow.
I thought you were referencing the Bitcoin rush that inflated the price, but I wasn't calling you out on it. I glossed over it as fact xD. Yeah that was some crap because Newegg and company made tons off that and AMD was still selling cards at msrp to retailers and board partners. Really screwed over amd on that one.
The logic he was implying made a ton of sense. Ncix hadn't received either a review sample or stock to sell on launch day. And AMD has been quoted saying that there were only 32,000 some units manufactured when launch day hit. That's die's created, not boxed and finished products. There are only a very small number of units in the US, even if 1000 is a little low.
Not for the Enthusiast market. gamers or PC builders the highest end are strictly 8 core parts. the 16 cores and above are for servers.
Yeah, for the current gen. AMD has said NOTHING about limiting the Enthusiast market to 8 cores in the Zen generation.