I want to know UK prices damnit!
There would be enough real-estate on a full size pcb for 3 cores.... imagine that.
I think the real upside to the whole downscaled HBM design is for the mobile market and the smaller format (itx etc) scene.
Shame they will probably be uber expensive here in oz.
Problem with 3 cores to one PCB is PLX will break down evenly so each core would run at the nearest rounded down lane configuration of x4
Yeah true... didnt think of that.
3.0 X4 should be enough. I mean 2.0 X8 is usually fine so. Even at 2.0 X4 you don't see too much loss..
Could always go X99 and solve it haha
Gen 2.0 x4? So 2GB/s is enough to run a Fiji XT core? I highly doubt it. I also think 4GB/s is pushing it.
AMD hasn't changed the spec on CrossfireX. Still only need 2.0 X4 to run it. xDMA on the other hand does require 2.0 X16 or 3.0 X8 at the minimum. With a little driver trickery you could maybe get 2.0 X4 working, but it would be heavily limited.
Disappointed, pricing is a joke and they are still cutting many chips down (to non-x) and charging large premiums despite high yields. Prices are higher on the refreshes than the cards they are replacing.
The extra VRAM and a newer model number are not worth that premium that don't make any sense IMO, cards are still not fully DX12 compliant and don't have HDMI 2.0HDCP, this pricing puts them on par with nvidia's pricing, yet nvidias cards have HDMI2.0HDCP and DX12 compliant, and they perform better when over clocked.
The extra VRAM only matters at 4K (at which point you would be better off with a dual-gpu-card, so why...), very few people are doing this because you need multiple high-end graphics cards and an expensive 4K monitor. So GJ AMD, your not the performance soloution, your not the feature soloution, and now your not the value soloution. Why would you buy an AMD card now??
Coming from big AMD supporter, seriously screw AMD, shoot themselves in the foot. A $650 watercooled 4K card, that can't be cross-fired due to case compatability, which doesn't have enough ram, and which doesn't support the latest DX12 standard.... My god...
Thinking about switching from my 780 if the difference is big enough
1) I agree on pricing for 300 series, although if benchmarks shown are true - fury x will perform around titan x, which actually brings us to r9 295x, which is $650 ok price.
2) True, extra vram won't help much; We still yet to hear about GCN versions
(390's should get gcn 1.2 which will be some gain over 290x 8GB cards), problem is that 290x is great card, but had numerous problems on its original release; resulting in big fail. Bad Memory chips, overheating and various driver problems. While I don't like them calling 390x a new card, and think that fury x should be 390x we tech guys know that fury x is the 390x.
HDMI 2.0 is a joke, and we should drop that tech... they are below current standards, even seems to be discontinued dvi-d performs better and is capable of higher resolutions and refresh rates.
- 300 series is re-release for dx12, or at least thats what i'm thinking, to make money out of 200 series for a little more time. Price wise Fury X is advertised cheaper than 290x on its release.
3) The extra vram at 4K won't matter much unless you go to crysis 3, most games are optimized in a way they don't need more than 3GB to accomplish 4K. Lets take witcher 3 for example at 4k it uses about 2.9-3.2GB in most intensive places from vram. Sometimes it helps for mapping purposes and draw distance but thats about it.
650$ watercooled 4k card can be cf with up to 4 cards... and it does support dx12 std... oh my god...
In the end because of 300 series, we will all benefit form it - 290x price went down dramatically and you can get 'em for $200 now or less.
(with dx12, vulkan we can expect amd's to perform much better - so it doesn't matter if you got 300 or 200 you will get better performance in a way.)
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Really taking the comments section on WCCFTech to heart there I see.
Well here are points that you have to understand:
- AMD invested heavily into HBM and GCN 1.2/1.3.
- AMD needs to make money back from those investments.
- AMD needed to make new cards regardless of whether they were rebadged (Who the fuck is counting anyway? nVidia is still dragging Fermi along into 2015, GeForce 920M.)
Addressing point 1: AMD is clearly in the hole as far as R&D goes. The fact that they are taking the initiative to do ANYTHING new when they account for about 1% of spending in the field is astonishing.
On to point 2: Now they need to prove to investors that the money they tossed into the black hole is manifesting into something great. The Radeon Fury cards could have easily been $1000 cash-grab E-Peen cards set to piss-fight with the Titan X. But, AMD knows that consumers DON'T want that kind of market inflation and instead are going to make a well priced, competitive card that hopefully sells because it ISN'T a cash-grab E-Peen Piss-Fighting $1000 claim to fame.
And to address point 3 we look squarely at the R9 390X. It's not a direct rebadge, (neither is Tonga, for that matter). It's a reworked die that should alleviate the thermal woes of Hawaii, and it just happens to have a bit of extra RAM strapped to it. Considering Hawaii was the first GPU architecture marketed for 4K gaming it makes shit-tons of sense to pull it forward, give it a new coat of paint, a fresh price sticker, and send it on it's way.
See what we have here is a classic move of playing the market right. The cards below Fury X are all priced at or below the launch prices of the previous generations, and they all give a boost in return. Rebadged cards launch cheaper than the launch price of cards they replace. Reworked cards are either cheaper at launch, or provide more performance from the gate. AMD doesn't care that you can get a 7970 on eBay for $120, they'll still charge more for an R9 380X. nVidia does the same thing from time-to-time (GTX 680 - GTX 770, at the time the 680 was hovering around $300 on eBay while the GTX 770 came out at $400.)
Soooo... Yeah you've gone off the deep end. Launch prices are excellent. Let's take a quick look at history, shall we?
GTX 980 - $550
GTX 780 Ti - $700
GTX 780 - $650
GTX 680 - $500
GTX 580 - $500
Radeon R9 290X - $550
Radeon HD 7970 - $550
Radeon HD 6970 - $370
Radeon HD 5870 - $400
Suddenly $500 and $650 don't look like bad numbers. Unless we go back to 2010, but hey everything was cheaper back then...
END RANT.
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Some people have forgotten that HBM =/ GDDR5. HBM has a 4kbit bus and can tranfer data at such a high speed that the Vram should not be used as a frame buffer meaning that you don't need the same amount of Vram to achieve the same overall performance. Remember Fury X was designed with 4K+ in mind
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Exactly. It is still a very competitive card especially at higher resolutions. A 290X is just as fast if not faster than a 980 at 4K. Why not keep using it? With higher clock speeds it should be even faster.
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I just came... to say that i'm excited by this GPU.
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Glad to see at least that the rumors having the R9 Fury series at around 50% higher price didn't come true in the end.
Not sure that I'll have a real reason to replace my R9 290 this year, but we'll see when the store prices settle on the third party R9 Fury models.
What are you talking about? First off Nvidia cuts chips too. Equally if not more. GK110 had FIVE different consumer cards. Hawaii has TWO consumer cards.
Second Pricing is significantly better AND you get more.
290 launched at $400 the 390 is a rebrand with double the ram, some arch improvements and $70 lower launch price.
290x launched at $550 the 390x is a rebrand with double the ram, some arch improvements and $130 lower launch price.
Continuing the discussion from AMD reveals Fiji GPUs:
Im going to be frank here, the Titan series is irrelevant, people will be comparing the fury to the 980ti, and both of those are so expensive, that they price nearly everyone out of the market. And they will look at the fury, and see a 4GB card, without full DX12 support, without the nvidia brand, it's features and they won't buy it.
The vast majority of sales are within the ~200 and ~300 price brackets, and in that bracket AMD has what... Rebrands of their existing cards, with lower core counts, and more Vram for much higher prices.... They were not doing very well already. And saying 4GB is enough for 4k, kinda like saying 2Gb is enough for 1440p and 1GB for 1080p. Most people playing at 1080P have >2GB ram, that is bassically the minimum now for cards in that bracket.
The cards for 1440p have 3.5-4GB, I really don;t think 4k is enough, and FYI people cant crossfire the fury, because you need somewhere to mount the radiators....
I disagre, GCN version and HBM doesn't matter, consumers are not going to buy cards based on this, they are going to look at branding and performance and features, and price. The 300 series looks to be entirely rebrands, the core counts and specifications are all supposedly the same. If they were 'retweaked', they would have just created an entirely new lineup... With the latest GCN...
Because it would not have been that much harder. You cant just apply a newer micro-architecture to all your cards. And if they did they would have fixed the HDMI version, and it doesn't look like they did. Its just straight rebrands. And they are charging more for them than they are now. Litterally only difference, higher model number, higher price, more VRAM (On cards which don't need more vram).
I don't see how people think this is going to work for them, when they are already having trouble selling the cards they have right now, at the prices they are now, which are the exact same cards for 300 series, only at lower prices!!! And these are MSRP probably of reference cards, non-ref will be like $15-$30 higher or something.
AND FYI, AS I SAID 970s and the like, they have much more OC headroom and perform similar to AMD cards... So they have nothing, no feature advantage, no performance advantage, no price advantage in the mainstream bracket...
And their top-end, it is unatractive as a 4k card, the 980ti OC will probably perform comparable, at same price, with more vram, dx12 full support, its a nvidia branded card, it has more features. Why would you pay the same for less, in a world where most people are already making decisions based on branding. And the AMD card is the wrong brand......... Really.....
Welcome to 2015, where all $100+ computer cases have 120mm mounting points for fans and radiators.
Okay so you're just trolling and not actually paying any attention to anything anybody here has already clearly laid out for you.
Please go back to WCCFTech.
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You also forgot to mention the Fury X has an Aircooled version. It can be crossfired regardless.
my case from 2013 that costed me less than $70 has 3x 120mm mounts and 2x 140mm mounting points.
Arguing mounting is a dumb lol