AMD or Intel for streaming

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Hello,

Recently saw the video containing the 8350 vs its intel counterparts and was interested to see the 8350 preform better in streaming. Now I dont know much about CPU's so im asking for advice for a brand new Water cooled rig that will be built in 2 months time.

Do the higher generations of cards continue to be better than their intel buddies or has the flow changed?

Budget for my cpu is around 250-350 CAD but could put another 50-100 if the performance was noticeably different

Edit: forgot to say the CPU will be paired with a 770, 780 or mabey even a 780 TI as for the Mobo idk at this time as I'm currently researching them

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I think it depends on your choice of software and preferred games. If you wanted to stream Battlefield 4 using Open Broadcaster, then I would certainly recommend an AMD octacore.

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I have a Xeon 1230 V3 (an i7-4770 without the iGPU) and an FX-8350 OCed to 4.8Ghz. I had a 3570k OCed to 4.4 Ghz. 

I can tell you in streaming that the 8350 and the Xeon will absolutely walk all over the i5 Intel parts. The difference is considerable. The Xeon and the 8350 are about the same at streaming in my opinion. They trade blows with one being faster in some games and the other being faster in different games. 

Berserker is right though. My 8350 when running BF4 and OB does better than the Xeon but not by all too much. 

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Well... there's a few things to consider... if you're getting a nvidea GPU it features shadowplay, which can significantly decrease CPU stress for streaming...

Another thing to consider is what are you trying to compare it to? if you're comparing it to an i5, the 8320/50 is much better for streaming... if you're comparing it to a Xeon, the Xeon will barely edge it in most cases... if you overclock an i7 4770k, then it gets a good bit in Intel's favor... if you go socket 2011, well.... let's just not go there... it's out of your budget and AMD fans get mad when you bring up socket 2011 for whatever reason... 

generally, on a budget for a streamer... I would recommend a FX 8320 / Asus M5A99FX Pro mobo... it's about $80 more for a Xeon/H87 board, and a lot more for an unlocked i7/Z87...

The difference is a somewhat negligible faster performance in pretty much everything with Intel... they both excel at the same things... AMD is just a LOT cheaper and better price/performance...

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Thanks for the quick responses guys. I wasn't aware shadowplay could be used to stream I had thought i was only video capture like fraps.

Although I had mentioned the 8350 my mistake was I was talking about if the new 9000 series had continued to compete with intel for streaming purposes, and if not im guessing just using the 8350 would be fine?

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And once again i forgot to say i was looking to use X split as the platform to stream off if that helps in any way

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We get mad when you bring up Socket 2011? Hmm didn't know that. For the price the the 4820k is kinda shit. Only the 4930k is worth it really.  

You do bring up a good point about ShadowPlay however but that is on the GPU and he said he is going with a nVidia GPU already so it doesn't matter what CPU he gets he'll be able to use it. 

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The 4930K is totaly pointless for gaming and streaming.

This cpu does not give any performance bump over an i7-4770K in gaming and streaming. it just doesn´t. Logan has this cpu in his own rig, before that he had a 3820 in there, which Pistols FX8350 was beating in most gaming and streaming test, he said in his build video that he gained 3 fps switching from the 3820 to the 4930K in gaming, so in other words a i7-4770K wil probably perform better, and i think that even a FX8350 could beat it. ☺

If you look at Logan´s older benchmarks gaming and streaming, on there we saw that the FX8350 was realy close to the i7-3770K, and it was beating the i5-3570K and the i7-3820, in alot of the tested games.

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streaming with Xplit... just grab the FX8350. ☺

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Shh we get angry when people mention Socket 2011... No facts here. 

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8350 all the way. 

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haha i dont realy care, im just realistic. There are only a few games like ARMA DayZ and LoL, that have a realy bad optimized gaming engine, for multiple core utilization, thease games, just run better on an intel chip, because intel has a better per core performance, but still the bottleneck that you have with the FX cpu´s you also have with the i7 in thease games, only cause of the better single core performance of intel, you will notice it less. But basicly the i7 will perform as an i3 in those games.. lol ☺

Same story with rendering and video editing, offcourse an i7-4930k will be faster, also an i7-4770K will be faster, but at what cost? honnestly if a 4930K can render a 1080p movie in 10 minutes and you can do the same task on the FX8350 in about 15 minutes, who cares about those 5 minutes? look at the price diffrence honnestly.

4930K only comes interessting if you realy do alot of heavy productivity stuff, like heavy codings, and calculations and stuf, where you realy need the raw cpu performance. if for the crazy people on the planet earth who want to be cool with a triple or quad gpu setup.. or people who gonne use pci-e fast raid controllers. etc..

But for gaming and streaming with xplit, a FX8350 is realy a good choice, so would be the Xeon, so would be the i7-4770K if you wanne pay for it.

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Yes agree, i realy would love to see some xplit streaming benchmarks between the Xeon and the FX8350, just to look how close thease 2 cpu´s are. i think the i7-4770K will probably perform a slightly littlebit better cause you could OC it, but look at the price diffrence compaired to the Xeon and the FX8350.

i would personaly grab an FX8350, or if you like a sweet little mini-itx rig a Xeon. ☺

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the 4930k is literally almost twice as fast as the 8350... both at stock speeds... in multi-threading... go dig up benchmarks (I've seen it in real life and have built the two systems)... I'm not saying it's worth the price difference in streaming, but there's certainly applications for it... and this is what I meant by people getting mad at mentioning socket 2011.... you guys try to crucify somebody for saying something has more computing power because of price/performance...

I recommended a 8320 to the OP for streaming... for video editing the 4930K will bitchslap an 8350 all over the place... ask Logan... :P

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I'm interested in seeing the Xeon vs the 8350 head to head... I'd imagine they are pretty close at multi-threading with the 8350 overclocked... I already know what the 4770k and 4930k can do...

which Xeon do you have DerKrieger?

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the 4930K is not twice as fast in gaming. it just isn´t.

I do agree that in terms of productivity the 4930K will blow the 4770K and FX8350 out of the water. But wasn´t realy the point here. it was about gaming and streaming. 

Offcourse will an 4930K faster in allmost everything, but just not in gaming, and thats the whole point.

I dont get mad offcourse, i understand your standpoint and i do agree, that the raw performance of those 12threads cpu´s just cannot be beaten by an FX 8 core or an haswell i7. But this only is interessting for the things i said above. For rendering it could also be interessting, if you do this on a professional base, and you need to render alot of video´s during the days for a living, then the 4930k is a better choice. cause ever 5 minutes of time saving is money saving..And it will probably be more stable..

So its not that i disagree with you, because that would be stupid haha, everbody knows that the ivy-e 6 core cpu's have more horse power. But for gaming streaming its just pointless. and that is where "OP" question, was all about. ☺

Its like driving an bugatti vayron, in a city as New York ☺

Grtz Angel ☺

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I have yet to see a multi-threaded benchmark where it is double. usually it seems to be in the range of 30-45% faster. Like rendering in mental ray its about 30-35% faster then the 8350.

Depending on your needs though that can be completely worth it though.

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I totally agree with MisteryAngel

If one is a gamer, who cares if its a 2-5minute wait when rendering? $200 vs a $600 cpu...

A 8350 is very sufficient in gaming and rendering... are you paid by the minute in real life? That 2-5minutes do matter?

If you're Bill gates and earn $5000+ per minute then by all means a 4930k would greatly benefit you as the amount of time saved is cost effective.

All these benchmarks are nonsense!
Stats say Intel > Amd  by 30% in single core performance, in real life you CAN'T EVEN NOTICE IT! it's like MILLISECONDS!

Did you know AMD is quicker when you have multiple tabs (programs etc) open at any one time!

 

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I don't use synthetic benchmarks... I use 3D rendering software and a stopwatch while I'm building a system for the graphics department... in 3DS Max it's very close to double if not more... I'd venture to say it's 40-50% faster after you overclock the chips...we used to use 8350's for that department until I made a presentation for socket 2011 and the big wigs accepted it.... I've put them side by side...

Keep in mind overclocking (based off GHz) on different architectures is just comparing apples to oranges... 22nm vs 32nm especially... I get a predictable 4.6 GHz off the i7 4930k... 4.8 from the 8350...

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sigh... I suggested the 8320 to the OP.... this is why I said people freak out when I bring up socket 2011.... cause they misinterpret wtf I'm saying... it's really quite frustrating...

and just fyi... it's 52% in per core, not 30%... and yes it's a little noticeable in day to day stuff if you've been on a snappy system... but I'm done arguing.... so continue to crucify me for stating the obvious that everyone agrees with except when it's stated they don't... :P