I am planning on upgrading my current machine, which is running an AM3 Phenom II 1075T.
I was looking into just moving to AM3+ and getting a new mobo, and then buying an FX-9590, but would it be smarter to just upgrade to an FM2 and use discrete video? I do not want intel, cause I dont like the price to performance for them.
I understand your dislike for intel, but the xeon e3 1230 V2 is an exception and allows a cheaper board due to the fact you are not dealing with powerphases. however, fm2+ has some great MOBOs for mATX and some good ATX boards as well. But if you want to game only, AM3+ is AMD's heavyweight champ. Currently, If you get too wild with FM2+ as far as GPU goes, you will eventually see a bottleneck from higher end cards with the athlon 760k and A10-6800K (same thing with iGPU) Some words of warning, AM3+ has not had any mention from AMD recently and it is rumored that FM2+ will be its only socket in years to come. This may mean that AMD is trying to Put 6 and 8 core APUs on FM2+ but has not figured out how to make them run at less than 100watt TDP. That being said, AM3+ is still VERY powerful and will be usable for years to come. just remember you will need a higher wattage CPU and an aftermarket cooling solution if you get an 8xxx series. They sound like an f-18 with stock cooling.
The problem with AM3+ is that it is essentially dead. AMD doesn't plan to do anything with it, update it, or anything. They don't even plan on updating the FX line for 2014.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20131113225841_AMD_Cans_Plans_to_Introduce_Next_Gen_FX_Microprocessors_Next_Year.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/AMDs-Processor-Shift-Future-Really-Fusion
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130826PD216.html
phenom 2 x6's are quite powerful, anything on fm2 is going to be a downgrade unless you feel like some good overclocking in which case i'd expect little more than a side grade at best, a 9590, while certainly an upgrade, would be a sizeable investment for 2 cores and quite a bit more clock albeit worse ipc
i don't know what your plans are but without any more insight i really see no reason to upgrade
AM3+ no brainer. like overlordnick says going to FM2+ will be a big downgrade.
Grab a FX8350 with a decent 990FX chipsetboard like the asus sabertooth R2.0. or if you like to have a FX9370, could also be a nice choice, you could buy those with a watercooling kit. if you take a good search.
Don't upgrade. You need to buy newmobo, new cpu, all this for a small performance increase. 9590 is not worth it. 8350 with good cooler and overclock is much cheaper solution. However I don't think the performance increase is worth all the money.
There is no way I'd upgrade from that cpu at the moment. Id just grab a newer GPU if the system is primarily for gaming. Still lots of life in those old phenoms, depending on your motherboard & cooling an oc to 4ghz is just a few tweaks away would be a beast for a good while to come.
Well I need to upgrade the motherboard either way, and was trying to figure out if to just move to AM3+ so I could use the came chip for now. (looking at the sabertooth btw) or to just move over to fm2+. Do the 8xxx and higher chips really get that loud on stock cooling? Main upgrade issue is due to getting an extra hd 6870 and my 870 chipset does not support xfire. is $180 bucks for the sabertooth worth the video performance increase, and the overclocking power?
The noise from my stock cooler on my FX-4350 got unbearable for me hence upgrading to an H80i, even something like a Hyper 212 Evo with a different fan would be a lot better and alot cheaper than an AIO, although I would recommend something a bit more high end if you have the money, yet there still is nothing wrong with the Hyper 212 Evo
You don't need to buy such an expensive motherboard. It won't contribute anything towards extra performance. All you really need to worry about for making the switch to an FX-83XX is that it has adequate power phase design and that it supports crossfire for your dual GPUs.
Also, for cooling, the Hyper 212 evo or anything like that will do just fine. Even with a little overclocking.
You dont really want to cheap out on a motherboard for an FX-8xxx chip though, you can go cheaper, I just bought the Asus M5a99FX R2.0 but you dont want to go for much less
i just saw the prices of the sabertooth is a bit high in the US. Offcourse its a great board, but the Asus M5A99FX pro R2.0 is also a good board. 4.6 to 4.8ghz should be no problem.
But the sabertooth will be more stable at higher overclocks + 5 year warrenty, its something to keep in mind. I think the sabertooth could be worth it, if you wanne overclock the hell out of the FX8xxx or if you wanne trow a FX9xxx on it.
that's an awful lot to spend just to crossfire crap graphics cards, just upgrade to a better gpu
edit: after a bit a research "crap" may have been the wrong word, but i stand by the idea
I didn't mean to say to cheap out on the board, but to get a good quality board to suit your needs (and the FX-83XX power-hungry needs) without spending a boat load. But I think you understood that. Just wanted to clarify. ;)
My friend just had the same problem and this is the build we went with for him and he has been blown away.
His old system I believe was, AMD Phenom II x4 965(stock cooler), ASRock 890GX mobo, 4GB Crucial DDR3 1066, nvidia 550ti.
New system, AMD [email protected] 1.35v + 212 evo (push/pull), Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mobo, 8GB GSkill Ripjaws DDR3 1866, EVGA 2GB 650ti boost OC'ed. I think it was real close to $600 since he reused some of his old parts.
He plays Skyrim, BF4, Warframe, Titanfall and COD Ghosts on 24" 1080p monitor. I have a FX6300 + AMD FX liquid cooler ($60 ebay) @ 4.8GHz 1.45v with pretty much all the same parts except i have a Powercolor 270x DEVIL OC'ed 1250/5800 vid card. My system was a bit cheaper but we can both max out pretty much every game we got. We had his FX8320+212 evo (push/pull) stable @ 4.4Ghz but backed it down to 4.2GHz just to run a bit cooler and more reliable over time. I advised him to go with the FX8320 instead of the FX9590,9370 cause of their high power demands and high heat and instead of a FX8350 because the FX8320 can be OC'ed to close or same performance and will handle some of the best vid cards for the next couple years. The Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mobo has all the bells and whistles of the 990FX mobos but at a much lower price and did very well at OC'ing. Through the watt meter at the outlet "I think" his system+monitor is pulling 170ish watts idle and load 320ish watts. The FX8320 and Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 are a very good bang for the buck right now and will make a good foundation to build and excellent 1080p/1440p gaming system that will last for a few years.
An FX-83XX with a GTX 650Ti seems a little unbalanced. Could have gone with a 6300 and a beefier GPU and that would have yielded much stronger gaming performance.
Unless the 650Ti is temporary or your friend uses other specific programs that require the 8320, it's a bit backwards for a budget gaming built, IMO.
was about to say these suckers hold their own =D
Ah what friend would this be??