I think too many people are reading into this. He said from the beginning this was a hypothetical. Everyone jumped onto him without actually READING this.
That said, I think this entire post was a TROLL. It was worded specifically to infuriate everyone. Especially the Ubuntu users.
Considering his entire response was very well worded, and worded so well as to try to slyly insult people while still coming across as pleasant gave it all away.
I as a new user, can attest that his musings were false, plain and simple. Iāve tried every distro I could to come as far as I have, and I landed on Ubuntu BECAUSE itās dead simple. Which is why his Ubuntu comments made me rage.
But I held back and waited to read the rest of this discussion. And itās become painfully clear this entire article was made to watch everyone flame him and his ''uninformed opinions from redit." so to speak.
And Iām sure heās happy as a pig in slop that alot of you fell for it. Hell I fell for it. I just had the fortune of a mindset that stopped me from posting immediately before reading the rest of the thread.
linux is different but not difficult, getting used to the differences is actually the most difficult part for former windows users.
learning command line can be daunting if youvāe never used it before, but anyone who has ever used dos or windows terminal can learn it easy.
originally linux and unix were designed for programmers and coders and its these guys who wrote graphic user interface for their programs.
expect things to be different and dont be afraid to explore the distro,
join the user forums this is the easiest place you can get help for your distro. contacting the developer on the other hand may get you chewed out a little because they will expect you to be at least as capable as they are.
while some may be helpful to you many may not have the time to answer your questions.
And you start out accusing others of being presumptuous?
Mate, you got called out because you stated a bunch of things that are either misinformed or outright blatant lies.
Iām not sure why you think thereās some hive mentality here, but to start out with a bunch of bullshit and then claim you posted it to avoid the hive mind is just insulting.
If you want to start with Linux, start with Ubuntu or Debian stable in my opinion. why? because ubuntu is the best supported distribution by any software you may want to run. Debian is ubuntu without the commercial stuff.
That said, i used to run an ISP on Debian sid back in the early 00s and not much broke. But that was headless server stuff, X11, GPU drivers and the desktop environment is a lot more fragile.
Being a non-geek does not excuse bad information. If anything it compels you to research more. The community should do anything in its power to help a new user but cannot be compelled to fix such bad information cause in the end of the day it will be the only thing that you will be doing.
The info you are presenting on this post (hypothetical or no) are of the same quality as a flat-earther argument. You do not argue with thatā¦you just ignore. I am absolutely sure that most non-geek older persons are more than capable of doing actual research and find much more accurate and valid information. It definitely does not account for the majority or the masses of the average user.
If you are not presenting this post as a hypothetical scenario then you should do your research better. You are basically sabotaging yourself.
To be perfectly honest i am not sure what the point of this post actually is.
It definitely is bleeding edge compared to RHEL and Debian, but they prefer the term āleading edgeā because stuff doesnāt break. Rawhide is technically bleeding edge but my experience with it wasnāt so bad
They have testing repos for that. From a RHEL server perspective, yes it absolutely is for testing. From an end users experience, it is a perfectly usable as desktop OS (My distro of choice)
so their release guys are just incompetent then, and it isnāt the bleeding edge software at fault for all the breakage i have seen from Fedora 28 patches
This is an interesting read.
To start with I will say this.
I hate Mac OS, Windows OS, Android OS, and Linux in all of its flavors. The word Hate is a little strong of a word, just can not find the word that would replace it.
This is just my current point of view and it changes with time.
I use Windows OS, because it is the Devil I know.
Mac OS is just a OS that is not being taken care of at all.
Android OS, wants to be IOS and fails, then we have google taker of all info.
Linux is a group of people that made there own OS and do not want people to used it till you learn all that is Linux and be one of the group, Other wise I think there would be a version of Linux that was all just point and click with a mouse and no need for terminal commands, ie Windows like, without being windows.
I know Linux can be a click only OS, because I spent time looking at commands and finding out if they equal just clicks, and they do for the most part, not always. So what is holding Linux back from being an OS for all the Normies that just want an OS that just runs programs.
Every once and a while I will look at distros and see what is new and what may work for me, still have a pc running Manjaro, to test and see and learn.
From my point of view all the OSās need a lot of help, Linux is getting closer to being the only OS I will us, only time will tell.
My observations on this post, is when someone bashes Linux and a distro, that is will sooner or later come down to everyone talking about this distro or that distro and what they are and who they are for. It is a distro not a religion, ie all the distroās start from the same place and are going about there business in a different way, one is not better then the other just different.
Just pulled this as an example not pointing a finger at any one comment.
I think if the conversation changes then post like this will be looked at differently.
This does seem like a very Troll post, just my point of view.
Hmm who told you this? In actual fact Debian is considered more stable that Ubuntu as Debian is not bleeding edge. they use heavily tested packages and wait long before putting them in their stable repositories.
Auto matic updates are not a bad thing, not being able to make it shut up and not being able to make it install updates at the worst possible time aka when you are shutting down, is
A system restore alterenative like timeshift is not a bad thing. Why would you not want that in the event some thing goes wrong?
Pre installed apps I get you on that one, though they do not in any way force you to use them. You can uninstall and install whatever app you want unlike windows where if you powershell your way out of certain apps, next windows update you will most likely find them there again.
By the way, unless you use the lesser known Mint Debian edition, you basically are using Ubuntu anyway
Manjaro more close to as you put it āeXXXtremeā than plane Arch? Manjaro is actually ridiculously user friendly. Antergos is nice too
Normally iād pretend i āforgotā about this and move on, but againā¦ new to the forum, donāt know the mentality round here. Plus, kinda rude to ignore quotes.
So even though iām about 99% this is pointless;
This isnāt technical, am not skilled to have a technical conversation regarding any of this.
This OP was about what oneā¦ outsider(?), of an age and certain intellect (read: not young, not autistic-trending, not trendy, not geek wannabe, not hype influenced, etc etc [what we once called a normal effing human being]) grasps, in turns of mentality and approach, from what can be gleaned sans any expertise or aid.
General stuff folks, from what can be gleaned. This too is of import. If itās portrayed wrongly, not said normal personās fault either.
I used the word myopic for a reason; seems it went by most folks here.
Last, we can love something even when others donāt; we can even love something without it being perfect. Or even having to be.
