A new platform. My switch from 990fx to z97, and why

I've had an interesting predicament regarding my daily desktop. My long cherished 990fx setup is dying, either the board or processor. I ran my 8350 hard for something like a year and a half via a gigabyte 990fxa ud3, revision 4, the good version. Hard overclocks that I could never settle on, were a normality for me. But now the failing stability of either the board or processor has forced my hand on a new setup. I have intentions to re-purpose either component of my 990fx motherboard and cpu combo, depending on which one is stable, in a 3d program workstation for my father. But that led to my predicament, what is my next toy?

My 8350 has served as a solid work and play machine for a good while now, but I feel like buying into the platform again is almost a waste. Why? I've watched as my 8350 started to shutter under the demands of the latest games. DX12 is coming and that would improve matters, but I have a feeling it is more of a delay of the inevitable more then a breath of new life into this three, going on four, year old platform. All technology has a time when it becomes nonviable for efficient work use, and I don't think DX12 will do enough to compensate for the IPC of bulldozer. It can spread the load out and even make the load easier, but its not going to make a bulldozer core faster. The core isn't going to miraculously gain 20% IPC and magically become competitive with haswell, broadwell, and soon skylake.

I do like AMD, I really do. As a company they at least seem to have good intentions; however money driven they are at least seems to be less then average. But as a consumer I had to look at the two platforms and weight pros and cons. And when looking at the pros and cons, you can't with with an unbiased mind say AMD is the better every day choice. I compared the 8350 and the cost of getting comparable performance to a Xeon 1231-v3, and there wasn't a comparison to be made. I simply couldn't get the same performance, and the price of a whole new setup didn't make sense with the performance hit I'd be taking. And not just performance, the feature set. My new Intel setup consists of a Z97 extreme 6 from AsRock, of course a Xeon 1231-v3, and a Samsung sm951 for a boot drive. I can now have a boot drive that reads at 2000Mbps. That's insane, and its not something I can do on a 990fx board with selling my first born to get a hold of that unicorn of a board Asus made called the 990fx sabertooth revision 3 or whatever it is. If and more likely when I invest in a fury card, there is no chance a 8350 can keep up with it. If my 8350 was on the verge of bottlenecking my lonely 770 4gb, whats it to do with a card more then twice the power. It would be a waste. With that extreme 6 from asrock, I can run my Xeon 1231-v3 at 3.8ghz max turbo at all times. With the Noctua D15 I'll be keeping in use from my 8350 build, temperatures will never be an issue.

Temperatures. Everyone and there mother that's recommended the 8350, including me on damn more then a couple occasions has glossed over temperatures and tdp. People one of the key things that ran my 8350 into the ground was its power draw. It heated up my room to unbearable temperatures when I made the move from the basement to my bead room. It's something that the tech community as a whole glosses over, because we've grown to deal with gaming in 85f rooms. I don't want to be sweating when I play battlefield because of the room, but because I'm so immersed in the game that I feel pressure to win. That's something I've never had in my more then toasty room. Before you right the smart ass comment, yes I have air conditioning and yes its turned up as much as it can be without making the rest of my family freeze in their rooms. I run fans and open windows every time I want to play, if weather and allergies permit. It turns gaming into a chore, and that makes me not want to game. Truly I have stopped playing cs because my room is too hot to bare, it sounds stupid but I'm not kidding. It sucks, and I don't want to deal with it if I don't have too.

So this is my reasoning, and now for the change. I'm still writing this from my 8350 rig as the z97 parts are in limbo aka the us postal service. Soon I'll have parts in hand to truly compare against my old rig. I can't do a benchmark suite on this system as its too unstable, but I'll definitely be comparing against other cpu benchmarks results that I can find online with the new system. This has been a fun journey, but I'm about ready to turn in my AMD membership card.

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Great to hear your getting a better rig. Out of curiosity have you tried restoring your over clock to stock? Wouldn't want to see some one ditch hardware or give it away due to their oc.

Its currently sitting at 3.8ghz and stock volts... its still blue screens if I push every core at the same time for too long xD

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LOL Unicorn board :) Sorry to hear your rig is dying. The point of diminishing returns is a good place to stop. :)

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i am in the same camp as you. Use to be a FX6300 and oced thee crap out of it with a M5A99X EVO then tried to bios flash to get more oc power. then it screwed itself up cause i finally found out the reason why it screwed up. I didn't reset the bios settings back to factory. Ended up grabbing an Intel Xeon 1231v3 and a H81 board because i live with my parents and power ain't cheap here..... too bad i grabbed a R9 290 Sapphire Tri X OC later on and will be facing my parents rage level will be OVER 9000!!!! Just one thing why getting a z97 board with a Xeon just grab any H87, B85, boards and you will be good to go unless if you are cheap like me even the H81 boards will do.

Makes sense if your current rig is going to recycle to upgrade to z97.

I just want to make a comment about core temperature and thermal design power (TDP).

The 8350 has an amazingly high TDP. So the answer to why lies in the fundamentals of power usage, heat transfer, and operating temperatures.

Having a deeper understanding TDP and it's importance can help your decision with purchases pertaining to GPUs, CPUs, and even RAM.

The 8350 uses more power than an Intel chip. This contributes to the TDP for sure. You must have a better cooler for the more power the chip uses. In electronics, and basically every thing, when energy is used heat is generated. This heat must be removed from the part. That is when standard operating temperature comes in.

The maximum temperature for an AMD CPU is around 62C. While there really isn't a max temperature that it should be ran at, the degradation accelerates as the temperature increases. This varies from product to product. For instance, the max temperature of an Intel broadwell i5 is 105C. This means that if they both used the same power, AMD would have a higher TDP because it must remove more heat to enable it to run at a lower temperature.

Of course, AMD's chips do use more power and they require a lower operating temperature. This inflates the TDP intensely.

The sodered on heat spreader really helps to dissipate the heat, and yes it did get hotter then 62c on the cores a couple of times. Running the voltage constantly higher really killed it more then anything else.

I would say get a cheap 1150 board an a xeon. Though I would try my hardest to wait for Zen and Skylake if I were you.

I already bought parts. I can't continue using my rig. One of these days its not going to boot and it's showing signs that day is close, like its gone into reboot loops on startup a couple of times now.

I need some help! My system is all built, but when it goes to post I get the post code error A9. What does that error mean? And how can I fix it?

-heh-

Extreme 6?

update your bios?

Where the hell did you find that? Link me, all I got where results about older generations QQ plz NJM save me. (yes extreme 6)

Soooo happy. Got the damn thing to install windows! Its in the middle pf getting files ready for installation. Turns out CSM bugged out and refused to boot the system with the drive installed. So once I uninstalled the drive and turned off CSM, it worked like a charm :D

honestly 990fx to Z97 isn't much of an upgrade, i was disappointed when i made that upgrade, even more so when i went from z97 to x99

So uh, windows is installed and everything but now for some reason it doesn't show up as a boot drive, or even a drive at all, in the bios. Anyone have experience installing windows on a m.2 drive? :/

I haven't installed windows on mine but my xp941 didn't show up sometimes until I set the type of m.2 manually in uefi.

The slot I installed mine in is wired only for pcie connections, with non of that sata crap B+M crap. Turns out the bios that was shipped on board wasn't compatible with booting from M.2. Once I bios updated, which for some reason refused to go from a usb stick, it finally installed and worked. Took hours to get that bios to update for some goddam reason...

Holy god, hello this is my first post from my new computer. Holy shit was the struggle worth it. This computer is booting faster then my monitor does. Literally, I my monitor can't get the signal fast enough to catch this computer during boot up.

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990FX to Z97 Isn't much of an upgrade. I'd wait.