So I'm looking to build a new PC, I have every other part purchased except for a GPU. I was looking to get a 1070 when I saw $379 for the normal edition largely due to the reasonable price point and to have a mid range card so I can extend the life between upgrades on this machine (hopefully 5 to 6 years between GPU upgrades). But I haven't seen any sites selling any models for anywhere near that price.
My current options is: -Bite the bullet and get the 1070 for the hiked up price. -Wait for the 1060 in the hopes its in stock before I build the machine in last August. -Or get a 970.
I prefer the 1070 but I don't want to pay 60 to 80 dollars more for the card (but I will if I have to).
I would like to introduce you to 3 small videos... 1.
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Now, i don't want to rain on your parade, but, 1070 you can't find under $400, and 1060 you will be able to buy only from Nvidia for $300 in the first couple of weeks. And yeah... Check those videos out, before you make a decision.
As tempting as the 480 is I've never enjoyed my experience with AMD cards. On top of that this rig is NOT geared towards high end gaming. I want to use mid range parts as to extend its life as to not have to upgrade for several years. Its largely going to be used for office use and gaming on the side whenever I'm at home (in the military, PC is going to be at my house).
480 is 199-239$ price range. RX480 is mid range cards by all accounts. Increasing longevity is better with AMD, as AMD generally increases it's performance over time, while Nvidia cards does not. On top of that, DX12 and Vulkan gain much more performance on AMD cards, so in the next 2-3 years the AMD cards will perform even better, meaning this time next year 480 will outperform the cards, that are currently slightly ahead of it - GTX980 and GTX1060 in the newer games. The choice is entirely yours, but i do not see any reason at the moment to invest money in Nvidia's products.
You sound like a Green Team fan @Vergil2501 and so if you love them PhysX you wait. If you don't care about that sort of thing get a well priced R9 390 or an RX 480.
Wait for 1060 benchmarks to come out. Frankly I think its fucking stupid that anyone is making a 480 vs 1060 video before the cards performance numbers are even out. Wait until the benchmarks come out, see what the pricing actually is, and then choose between the Rx 480 and 1060, or if you want something higher performance than those two cards, pickup a 1070.
Thank you for calling me Fucking stupid... If you have actually watched the video, you would have noticed, that all numbers I used were official Nvidia marketing numbers or leaked benchmarks, that I have said are leaked benchmarks. Also, every tech YouTuber and it's dog have made 1060 videos. And 1060 comes out tomorrow. Are they all Fucking stupid?
So inaccurate or highly biased numbers. (1 Gtx 1080 > 2 x Gtx 980 LOL)
Or numbers that could be spot on or completely off.
If you want to make a video, why not wait till we have actual numbers? There is no point in making a decision based on specific number based arguments when the numbers could be dead on or far off. If you can't actually test the card or can't use a reliable source for your numbers, than I think its best to just wait until you can do either of those. You can't compare something that is an unknown entity. Yes we can logically deduce a ball park, but we won't know specifics until the benchmarks are actually out. Who knows, maybe Nvidia will have learned there lesson with the price gauged 1080 and 1070 and will convince re-sellers to price the card how they advertised. And maybe, the card actually won't be faster than the 480 and it will fall flat on its face because of some stupid bug or terrible design choice.
None of the youtube channels I follow have made comparisons of the card based on rumor mill or leaked numbers, because the channels I follow are under NDA because they actually have the card and will put out benchmarks and a review tmo when the card drops and the NDA lifts....
My point exactly... Even with those highly biased numbers 1060 does not look impressive at all. And the real numbers could be and will be lower, now with the Nvidia's favorite Tomb Raider benchmark having DX12 patch and Vulkan numbers... And if you have watched the video you would have seen what it is about. It is not just the numbers. It's about the lacking support of DX12, the lacking support in Vulkan, the lacking SLI, the inability to change the cooler with a better one, all things you can't do properly with Nvidia card, but you can with AMD card. Dude, watch the video and tell me where am I wrong? 10-15% performance can be reached with one driver update, and often is, proof in the video... Unless 1060 is 20%+ faster, there is no reason to pay $300 for it, when 480 can be found for 199...
While we are suggesting options that the OP wasn't asking for, I would suggest a 980Ti if you can find one around $300 much better bang for your buck then what's being suggested.....
True, but their cards still end up being less TDP, better overclock then AMD. AMD wins however when it comes to price. The 1060 is meant to be $259usd? and perform between 980 and 980Ti while having 130TDP (20 less then AMD) and no doubt being a overclocking BEAST!
IMO, I would likely go for a 1060 based on that TDP and overclocking ability. Sure its only 6GB, but that is JUST enough for anything at 4k. Then again I do love my freesync....
PS. It should be pointed out that NVIDIA's marketing 2x performance hype was related to specific VR features. They failed at pointing that out to people! So everyone thought they were talking about GENERAL performance....oops
I'm not going to watch the video, I'm going to wait and see what the actual benchmarks and prices are tomorrow, like I recommend the OP do and then compare. There is no reason to sit here and argue the merits and flaws of the card when we don't know what the card will actually sell for tomorrow, or what the performance specifics will be.
Drivers. There is definitely a lack of A-Sync compute on Pascal, but there is also more work that can be done in the drivers to still boost Pascal card's performance in DX12 and Vulcan games.
SLI on *60 series cards has historically been a bad idea, I made a thread on it when that detail came out.
Terrible feature to lose for the 3 people that actually swapped out the cooler for another air cooler, or had the terrible idea of water cooling a card this cheap instead of just buying a card up...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but too my knowledge Nvidia hasn't released a driver to improve Vulcan or DX12 performance in the few titles that actually support it. There driver support for those few games isn't near as mature as it is for DX11, where Nvidia still destroys.
Where are you finding it for $200? PcPartsPicker only has one listed and that is for $270, its out of stock for that price, and is the reference model...
If SLI worked on Linux correctly, 'that is giving a performance boost not a performance hit' THEN I would be interested in it as NVIDIA does allow you to enable it under Linux (AMD has nothing really). But because its broken and doesn't work that well, it would be more cost efficient to just buy a faster card.
OK, let's stop this now. Read your last post, that i am answering to, and tell me it is not full of excuses. You are defending obviously worse product, lacking in features, because you don't care about those features, or because they are not widespread enough yet. And when they get widespread enough? You still haven't watched the video... Nvidia pushed VR SLI in their VR campaign... And the card does not support SLI... It's all excuses. It is just a bad product.
The 1060 pcb looks like a piece of shit. The 1080 is already a compromise, they are waiting to drop a stronger gpu because they are milking the market for what they can get. 1080 is a laptop GPU pretending to be a desktop gpu haha. 3 tiers down from 2nd best hardware is not my cup of tea. Vega and 1080 ti are coming before the year is out if we're lucky. 980 tis 980s and rx 480s are the cards people should be hunting for atm on the used market if you want the best bang for buck. Reddit Hardwareswap and Craigslist. If you're buying new I'd go for a rx 480 AIB when it comes in stock/preorder or find a firesale 980/ti. I've seen 980ti's drop for $350 and 980's for 250-260 used. 3dmark is a nvidia biased app and real world game performance is where people should look.
Really? Because remember the 980 Ti and the Fury X? The Fury X drivers are only now really maturing, and in the mean time the 980 Ti dominated its generation, because proper drivers overcame the superior compute performance of the Fury X. You can really see how underdeveloped the Nvidia DX12 Drivers are in their current state. DX12 performance should at least match the DX11 performance, and it isn't. There is more left in the tank for Nvidia DX12 performance and the performance of DX11 in DX12 titles shows that there is more there to be optimized.
Dumb feature gone for that tier of card. Another feature gone is not a defense to the fact that the features were irrelevant for that series of card. There is context to the removal of these features. These features had no impact on the card due to the performance and price bracket it falls into, so whats the problem with getting rid of them?
Its not that AMD drivers magically turned around, its that DX12 and Vulcan make use of A-Sync and for the last 5 years that hasn't happened. AMD is obviously taking advantage of it, as they should, and now their cards are more competitive. Nvidia still hasn't released their best DX12 and Vulcan drivers, so the DX12 and Vulcan battle isn't over yet.
The card you linked is sold out, and can't be found in stores either according to the website.
Your the one pimping the RX 480 over a card that isn't even released.... Your performance arguments are based on rumor mill numbers, and your pricing argument could be dead on or way off. We don't know. I'm not even saying that he should buy the GTX 1060, I'm literally just making the argument too wait and compare. That's what my first post was:
How, can you honestly say, it is a bad product, when we know nothing of the specifics of the performance and retail pricing.
Who buy a $600-800 VR headset and a $250-300 GFX card? If you can shell out for a Vive or Rift, you can definitely buy yourself a 1070...
