Alright guys. Ive started my new build and I've taken your advice and ditched the APU route to go CPU+GPU. Motherboard is an openbox MSI A88X-E45 so I can go up to 16 gigs of RAM easier later.
Here's the question I have, I'm looking at the new processors should I wait for the 860K to be released or should I just get a 760K?
This CPU will be paired with a HIS 7770 Ghz edition for a bit then I'm planning on a R9 280X or a GTX 770 TI afterward.
Don't go the apu route at all even the mobo, the x4 965 is a better proccessor than both of those and is 70$.
If you can afford the 280x and 770 then you should spend more on you cpu, like an 8320 150$-160$ or a locked ivy bridge i5, for gaming the ideal is the 4670k or non k. If you spend lots on ram for a gaming build that is a huge waste of money. Most people reccomendeding apu are bitter that they spent money on ram then the cpu and gpu.
APU route? He isn't going the APU route. He is just buying an FM2+ CPU which can be had for $80 new.
The 965 and the 760k are roughly similar at stock clock speeds. It may beat it in Pathmark but really synthetic benchmarks don't count for shit. In game they will be roughly similar.Plus you'd have to buy an AM3+ motherboard. Which decent ones are about the same or more money and are on an older platform with no hope of upgrading.
The 760k is a great choice for a budget rig.
He clearly said he can't afford the 280X or 770 right now. He is planning on upgrading in the future. Anyway most games these days are more GPU dependant anyway so while an 8 core or vastly more expensive Intel would be nice to have I'd much rather take a more powerful GPU. In most games even a 780 won't be bottlenecked by a 760k. So it is most of the time pointless.
Yes. APUs are bad ideas. (6800k/7850k). This isn't that though. A 760k would be a great option paired with a 7770 or of you haven't bought a GPU yet a R9 270 ($155). And there are also bitter people recommending i5s because they spent nearly double what you'd pay for an AMD for the same performance.
To answer the OP. I'm not sure really how much faster the 860k is going to be. Prob not much. I also don't know when for sure it is going to be released. I'd say hold off buying anything and waiting to see when it is gonna come out and then make your decision then.
Yes, DerKreiger I'm taking your advice and going with the CPU + GPU route. I already have the 7770 I managed to snag a local card for 60 bucks that's never been gamed on just was used as a workstation card to run 2 monitors. I'm planning on the GPU upgrade in 6-8 months.
I'm going FM2+ for the great features on the boards and they seem to be a solid choice for a 500 dollar build and also give me upgrade options. I'm just wondering if it will be worthwhile to wait for the 860k to come out this month or just get the 760K.
I would say just get the 760k instead of waiting. The Stemroller cpu architecture has better ipc, but the clocks are lower, so the performance gains arnt as good as some have hoped.
Wait if these are based off the APU architectures, doesn't that mean the CPU will benefit from really fast (and expensive) RAM?
760k + R9 270 , look for openbox older ones ( like the 7850/7870 ).
gtx 660's can be gotten for 100€ some places in belgium , so dig around ;)
It's always been my understanding that the extremely fast RAM benefits APUs because of the iGPU. Since the 760k/860k don't have iGPUs I don't think they'd really see much of an improvement, much in the same way intel CPUs and FX series CPUs don't see that much of an improvement, at least in gaming, from having faster RAM.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.
The iGPU shares memory with the CPU which is why faster RAM benefits units using iGPUs. When you have a discrete graphics card, it utilizes the ram on the card instead of the system memory. In this scenario you will not benefit when gaming from faster clocked RAM. However, if you're using your system for video editing then you will see benefits from higher clocked system RAM because the computer is constantly moving large files to and from the system RAM. So, for gaming, higher clocked memory does not benefit while using a dedicated graphics card. If you're using an APU, faster RAM is beneficial because of the CPU/iGPU sharing system memory. But, if you're using your rig for professional content creation you will see benefits from faster clock speeds and much larger amounts of system RAM.
I'll keep an eye on Ebay for a 7850/7870 or a used R9 270/270x then. DerKreiger already talked me into getting a CPU + GPU rather then APU + Crossfired card.
My current monitor is only 1600x900 max resolution as well, heres the current break down as well. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/x8cyHx Look good to everyone?
Isn't that what overclocking is for?
I recomend this parts in your build
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/mushkin-internal-hard-drive-mknssdcr120gb7
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-primesd1484 (if is compatible with your case XD)
Yup it is I should of asked, but I guess I just assumed that he wasnt.
I do plan on overclocking. Will the 860K have mantle support as do the rest of the Kaveri chips?
Mantle is a GPU driver feature. It works regardless of the CPU, but either of those CPUs will benefit greatly from Mantle.
did you finish this build? how was the performance?
Talon, go for a used 270x, it's a magical card for the price. Just make sure you don't buy one that's done time as a mining slave.