I recently got my 4790k and so far it feels near identical to my replaced 8350 at stock speeds. Baffled by the low performance gains I acquired, I did a quick test with PassMark PerformanceTest and Cinebench R15 and noticed it performs below average compared to other people's results.
What could possibly nerf my CPUs performance? I got the same results on a completely new Windows install. Updating the BIOS didn't do much either. Anything else in my rig bottlenecking these results? (1333Mhz RAM, for example)
Note: I might have let my cat walk on the motherboard's naked socket, slightly bending two pins. I haven't had any stability issues despite that, though.
Another person fell for the Intel propaganda. AMD is just as fast as intel. All the benchmarks and Tech reviewers are being paid to say AMD only gets subpar performance. I am sorry you spent $300 on a processor that gets the same performance as FX8350...
No in all seriousness.... Bent pins are most likely your problem. I would take a really good look and see if one of the pins are bent. With a good flashlight you should see the anomaly.
+1 yeap bent pins. One of the reasons why I hated going Intel was that the pin are on the motherboard. the reasons of bent motherboard pins is that they actually CAN affect the perfromance of the cpu
The 8350, while a fantastic CPU, can't beat the i7 at single threaded tasks. However, the i7 can't beat the 8350 when it comes to highly threaded tasks. It depends on what you do honestly. I built a rig for someone the other day with an 8370. For it to perform as well as an i7 in single threaded tasks, an over clock of .6ghz was required. I ended up with 4.7ghz with a Vcore of 1.4v. I could've gone lower with the Vcore if I had the time, but anyway, it performed nearly as well as the i7 in single threaded tasks and outed it in multithreaded tasks such as non linear editing. If AMD could lower the TDP with the same clocks and move the architecture to Steamroller, I'd bet that it would out the i7... I'd say an 8 core with CMT from Intel would out a 4 core with SMT at the same price. Granted the FPU is still sharing resources. Yes, the 8350/70 would be a better option fr the mainstream and in a lot of cases, the enthusiast. For $100 more invested, you could get a 5820k over a 4790k, so the 4790k doesn't really make sense to me.
Bent pins will be his problem im pretty sure about that.
You need to be very carefull with that, because it can also damage the cpu aswell.
As fas as intel vs amd goes, its not realy propeganda.
Intel haswell cpu´s are faster core for core then AMD FX cpu´s, and in allot of cpu bound games like MMO´s you realy gonne see the diffrence between amd and intel, especialy in the minimum fps. which are the most important ones. Keep in mind that most games dont use more then 4 main threads.
Your not going to notice much difference between the 8350 and the 4790k honestly, those scores seem a tad low but nothing series. I wouldn't worry too much.
Update: I took apart my rig yesterday and thoroughly checked the socket. The bent pins are nowhere to be found. I am 100% sure the pins were bent as that sight was burned in my retina. No idea what magic has happened, but for some reason it seems fine, from any direction, from any light source, under a magnifying glass, etc.
Either way, I've been in contact with the retailer about it and they said it was most likely the motherboard, but said I should do some more testing before sending it in to RMA. I haven't mentioned the possibly bent pins yet, but they refused me a refund on my dead H100i last year, so they can go fuck themselves.
Also, I seek haven on Tek Syndicate's CPU subforum to get away from LTT's infested subforum. I've been on both sides and all I see is Intel fannies getting their panties in a twist every time I see someone mentioning AMD. I wanted to play ARMA with more than 30 FPS in MP (which wasn't going to happen either way), but I was happy with the 8350 and I sadly had no time to return my CPU + mobo within the 14 days return timeframe as I was barely home and I didn't notice the performance until day 12. I also kind of wanted to build a LAN rig out of my older hardware lying around as I'm looking at going to Insomnia54 this April.
Some of them with knowledge do have some good points, But 85% of the comments in those threads are bullshit lol. Hence i have had tons of intel vs amd discussions over there, but you simply can´t win it. in fact, i even had a warning + temp ban for it.. lol.
THe bottom line of the whole intel vs amd debate is basicly that indeed intel haswell i5/i7 is simply better for gaming, however it highly depends on the games you play and how you play them, and which GPU you have, if you realy gonne bennefit from it or not.
But in general you can say that the intel haswell i5´s / i7´s are simply better allrounders for gaming. With allround i mean every game, and every gaming scenario like single and multiplayer and what not.
your cinebench r15 multi core score is like 100 points too low. Your i7 4790k should beat an fx 8350 by 200 points give or take in a stock to stock comparison.
i just ran cinebench at 4.0 all cores and got this 801 is 4.0 881 is 4.4 908 4.5 so 40 points could be ram lower cache clock allot of motherboards keep all cores at the 4.4 turbo all the time
Yep I have been called a Intel fan boy here too. Fact is last time I used a Intel desktop for gaming was 17 years ago when GPU's where called graphics accelerators.
I just look at numbers and price. And that is what I did with this machine. I still recommend AMD to people on a really tight budget. But I can only read and watch reviews that I trust and tell you what my experience is. And when I switched to Intel I had a better game play experience. Not really sorry if people are offended by this. But I don't try to sugar coat anything for anyone here. And I try do so with the most impartial outlook.
Second update: Running Cinebench again and again seems to slowly increase my score. I managed to get 878, which is a significant jump from my first results.
My physics and string sorting scores are still trailing behind identical systems, though.
The retailer told me to send an RMA request, so I guess I'll go through and hope I won't get burned by other failing components as they take a hefty fee for RMA cases where there is no percivable "error".
Anyone got any suggestions for any other tests I can do, software side, before I send it in?
Things I've tried:
Reset BIOS
Ran both benchmark suites as admin, exited every other running program apart from benchmark suite
Changed RAM timings (RAM is rated for CL9, BIOS sets it to 10, I guess I'll have to enable XMP settings)
Checked thermals (should be way under throttling level, not even reaching 56c with an NH-14)
Also a quick side note; My vcore seemed to be a bit low. The BIOS sets it to 1.040 as the baseline with 1.250 during turbo. I bumped up the voltage to 1.14-17 and got the same results. What exactly is the stock voltage for the 4790k? I've seen reports as low as 1.020 to insanely high on stock 4.0Ghz in the 1.250+ area.