1k Work Related Notebook

Hi guys, my old man wants to get a new notebook, he will use it for work on documents and on the internet, i told him spending more than 1ki would be too much but he is willing to spend up to 1.5k, IMO he doesnt need a dedicated gpu that much and that many power, but he thinks having an i7 and a lot of ram would help him work faster , oh and SSD too, the screen should at least be 15’’ and antiglare, so he doenst get eye strain, so Ive found the following options.

Here are more on this price range

Could you help me find the best model for him? thanks in advance

What does he do exactly?

Also, screen size does not matter much anymore for eye strain. Now that windows can scale its size, you can make everything bigger or smaller to suit your needs.

Antiglare is also a non issue believe it or not.

The big issue is the quality of the screen. Low quality screens with shit color accuracy is going to cause more eye strain than anything else.

The other issue is that you want a high quality well build machine for your dad. If he were to use this as a home computer, then your recommendation would be perfect.

But since this is being used for work, I would look at laptops like the dell xps 15, the macbook pro 13, and the lenovo p50.

All of those have great battery life, excellent build quality, and have great specs for your dad to run what ever he wants.

well he usually works on business documents and has decent sized excel spreadsheets , also surfs the web whille watching some Online TV app on a small window, usually opens a lot of tabs on the browser and moves files around a lot. I think is not something that requires more than an i5 and 8 gigs of ram TBH, but he insists on having the cutting edge, i7 ssd and whatnot, is getting a 4k screen a good idea? and a touchscreen seems a bit overkill too, will ask him if he really needs it. Mac is not an option since he's always used windows, the lenovo looks nice, but low HDD space, he wants to have as much disk space possible. Having all this considered, what laptop could be best suited for his particular needs?
thanks for ur reply

That lenovo laptop, if you're concerned about disk space on it, buy it anyway and upgrade it. It's a simple procedure.

Maintenance manual:
https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p50_hmm_en_sp40j71944_01.pdf
See: pg 66. "1030 Storage drive"

You just remove the battery and unscrew the bottom cover. It's even got two m.2 spots in there.

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didtn know that thanks, and what about this lenovo ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834331907
looks better than the p50 but it has less battery life

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P50 or bust.

The y series is really kind of plasticy and mushy feeling. Same thing with most of the asus laptops.

The p50 is a freaking tank. The p50 shares more in common with the older IBM think pads than it does with the rest of the lenovo line up.


The other thing I want to point out is your dads need for cutting edge.

Cutting edge does not truly exist in the laptop world. Each and every part is unique.

For instance any i5 or i7 that has a U in the part number only has two cores. But there are some i5 and i7 units with 4 cores.

So an i5 with 4 cores is actually faster and has more power than an i7 U series cpu.

Sooooooooooooo things can get very confusing very quickly.

Another thing to consider is that computers like the macbook have a NVME ssd with full NVME support.

The read and write speeds on a macbook is actually higher than on the Dell XPS 15 even though it says that it has NVME support as well.

So for programs that rely on fast hard drive speed, a macbook pro will actually outperform a dell xps 15 even though the dell cps 15 has a better class of cpus.

And then the P50 just shrecks them all.

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Whats the opposite of integrated GPU? Bad english my bad xD

Ok, i didnt know that about the CPU, interesting, so is a i5U enough then?
about the macbook what is NVME? i would like if my dad bought a mac since its faster but he'd have a bit of trouble getting used to it, specially the office apps, he loves excel .
If he goes for a P50 he would have to get a Hard drive , any model would work?
thanks amigos

Good tip man, that is a releif to know . how much does this hard drive cost?

For what you said he will be doing all he really needs is an i5 and 8GB of RAM. Use the extra cash to get an SSD. It will be plenty fast and will do everything he needs.

If he really wants to blow money the look at the HP Spectre X360 15".
They start at about $1100, have an SSD and are very nice laptops with little to no bloatware installed on them. For what he is doing he really doesn't need something that expensive though...

Nah, that spectre is a piece of shit. It is very cheaply made.

The i5u is a tad slower than an i7u.

Both are 2 core 4 thread cpus. The only difference is that i7 is clocked a little higher.

The reason the i5u and the i7u are both a bit under powered is because they are both low power cpus. This means that they have a TDP of 15 watts.

By comparison the i56300 is a 4 core cpu, and the i7 6700hq is a 4 core cpu with hyper threading. However the draw back is that they have a higher tdp and therefore draw more power.

So if you value battery life, then the U series cpus are better. If you value high performance, then you would want the higher end chips.

From what it sounds like your dad could live very happily with an i5u series cpu. However, that doesn't mean that you should discount the lenovo P50. The P50 has such a massive battery that you could easily have the higher end parts and still have great battery life.

Hopefully that answered that question.


Now here is the deal with NVME.

SSDs normally use the sata interface. Sata III (sata 3) has a bandwidth limitation of 6Gb/s which roughly translates to a max read and write speed of 600 megabytes per second.

The other issue is that sata 3 introduces a fair bit of latency. The SSD has to be handled by the motherboard chipset and a piece of software called AHCI.

A few years ago they introduced a new type of SSD that interfaced directly with the PCIe lanes on the CPU. This completely eliminated the sata 3 band width bottle neck and allowed SSDs to hit an upwards of 2 gigabytes per second read speed.

However these SSDs still had to use ACHI which caused some latency,

NVME replaces ACHI and allows the SSD to directly interface with the CPU which cuts down latency tremendously.

Pretty much all high end laptops use NVME ssds including the P50. Ignore my argument about the macbook pro. I was trying to make a very particular point without explaining myself.


Alright. I am going to lay out the arguments for all of my recommendations.

1: Macbook pro.

The specs are not all that mind blowing, but apple has made a ton of software optimizations so the macbook pro actually feels faster than other higher end laptops on the market.

It is well built, its highly portable, it has a fantastic screen, and it has the longest lasting battery out of everything I have recommended. MS office is actually available for OSX, so your dad won't be without his programs.

Probably the best thing though is that you can purchase apple care for an extra few hundred bucks. Its kind of pricey, but it means that if you dad ever has a problem, he can actually call up apple and not bother you.

The last thing you want is for him to expect you to fix his laptop for him. And trust me. It WILL happen.

2: Dell XPS 15

Forget it because dell changed their freaking options again and now you can not get the good model without spending 1700 bucks for it.

So fuck it.

3: Lenovo P50

When I talk about the lenovo P50, I am assuming that you will customize the P50 on the lenovo website.

You can actually order the p50 with an NVME ssd which will cost a little less than 1500 bucks. If your dad wanted to be a bit more spendy, he could also add a 4K screen for a total of 1650 and change.

So its probably the priciest of all of the laptops.

But it is built to last. This thing has very little flex, and has an amazing keyboard. Both the 1080 and the 4K screen options are IPS and are very bright and clear.

The specs just wreck everything else on the market, however the trade off is that it is pretty heavy. At just under 6 pounds it is not one of the most portable laptops out there.


So your options are either a very elegant and sleek solution that is not as powerful, but can still hold its own.

Or the brute force option that will require your dad to build up a bit more arm strength. : P

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he doesnt need a dedicated graphics processor if he is doing those tasks. it will just restrict battery life

You clearly haven't used one.

I have. It is shit.

If you have used a lenovo P50 or any truly well built machine, you would be able to tell the difference.

I'll admit I have never used a Lenovo as my daily system. I have no desire to pay for their spyware. I have the 13" Spectre however and it's a very well built machine, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. I take good care of it though so if you're the kind of person who smashes your things around like a Neanderthal it's not the right tool.

Yes, but it is irrelevant.

Most laptop manufacturers put pretty crummy batteries into their laptops.

The Dell xps 13 and the macbook pro 13 are the only laptops I know of that put in a fairly large battery while leaving out the dedicated GPU.

Lenovo also has one that I can't remember off the top of my head, but it has other issues.

The lenovo P50 actually lasts longer than most laptops despite it's specs. Just goes to show what a massive 90wh battery is capable of.

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Mmmmmm I take good care of my laptops but I also really put them through their paces.

I use my laptop as a mobile tech repair computer. Anytime someone I know has an IT issue I show up and back up their data and try my best to fix their issues.

On my down time I spend a lot of time in communal machine and wood shops. I bring my laptop along for CAD design and 3D modelling.

So yeah, my laptops do get bumped around and are put in some pretty intense environments, but at the same time I never toss them around or beat on them.

IMO if you are spending more than 1K on a laptop, it should be of higher quality. The keyboard should feel premium, the body should be able to be beaten on a little and hold its own.

I want a dependable tool that I can genuinely trust. So I would rather recommend laptops that I personally trust, rather than laptops that simply please the crowd like the spectre.

Fair enough, but I wouldn't say something is poor quality because it doesn't match your use case. If you're going to abuse it then get a device that can take it. I use mine for CAD but I wouldn't use it in a shop environment, though I have used it in a robotics lab.