as my brother’s Msi GTX780 died yesterday (Artifacts on desktop, during video gameplay, error code 43 in device manager), I’m looking for a replacement for him.
4770k - not overclocked, aside from slight boost caused by XMPP
8GB DDR3 kingston - 2600mhz
FullHD 1080p screen
I am looking for price/performance replacement for 1080p gaming (no plans to update lcd any time soon; anyway I’ve heard somewhere 4k definitely, 1440p possibly gaming is waste of money).
We’re fans of green team, although not against red strictly.
Could you recommend something? I think the cpu still is and will be, correct me if I’m wrong, capable for next 2-3 years, and shouldn’t really be a bottleneck,
From my research it seems, that GTX1060 with good cooler might be an option. Btw, wasn’t it gtx1060 with vram memory issues - less then declared available?
Even the gtx1070, which might be overkill.
We’re looking for something a little bit futureproof - to serve mentioned 2-3years (then I expect the cpu to be slow anyway). Not extremely tight on budget, but don’t want to waste money on unused performance capability.
Sidenote:
Is there any way to test the system thoroughly?
This gtx780 from MSI has died twice in 2n1/2 years. First after half year, got refurbished replacement, yesterday again.
I tried swapping it for card from my system, and it seems fried. My card work in brother’s pc, his not in mine, and vice versa.
I would like to avoid situation of buying new card, possibly dying in next year.
The PSU should be solid, Seasonic 850W Gold rated.
That was the Gtx 970, which only had 3.5GB of the 4GB that ran at full speed. It was a 3.5GB card for all intensive purposes.
I would recommend an RX 580 8GB, with a Gtx 1060 6GB as a secondary choice. If you want to go overkill in hopes of longevity, than Gtx 1070 is your only option at the current moment in time. Really for 1080p though, I'd stick with the RX 580. Its a good card that will hopefully last you a couple years at 1080p.
Yeah, a 580 is what you want. I still like my Fury but the RX580 is close in performance and has twice the VRAM. For 1080p gaming it will last a couple years and looking at how optimizations in software are always pushing AMD cards further than their green counter parts....
If you want something cheaper than the 580, I'd go with the 570. In my mind, the 1050ti doesn't make sense unless you have space or power limitations and the 1060 3GB typically costs closer to the 4GB 580 than the 570.
On a slightly unrelated note, I don't like that so many 580s require a 6-pin and an 8-pin when a single 8 pin would work just fine.
Do note that pricing changes with region and month, so buy whatever has the best sale or promotion.
They upped the tdp of the core from 120 watts on the 480 to 180 watts on the 580. The spec for the 6 pin power connector is 75 watts, and the 8 pin has a 150 watt tdp. They can run above spec, but its better to spread the load so its not running higher than spec permits. Keep in mind that the core only has had the 60 watt bump, so the memory and other board components are not included in this tdp. Most 580's only draw 40-50 watts through the pcie slot at a maximum, as the incident with 480's at launch over-drawing power through the slot has AMD keeping slot usage at a minimum. Total power usage for a 580 is roughly 200-220 watts depending on the card, and higher if its overclocked.
... The 480 had a TDP of 150 watts and a 6-pin cut that really close leading to low-end mobos shutting down. The actual power draw of the 580 is barely more than the 480 (175 watt average if memory and hypothesis serve). For the entire board it's less than 200 watts. A single 8-pin can easily provide the ~120W (maybe ~130 peak) the GPU requires letting the PCIe slot power everything else. You can potentially shove 150 watts through a 6-pin and 300 watts through an 8-pin, but that produces enough heat to start melting the plastic part of the connector used on low-end parts. If you look in to ln2 overclocking you can find people running Fury Xs at 600 watts up off of two 8-pin connectors.
And I've been somewhat mistaken. All of the material I've seen featured multi-pin connectors, but a quick Newegg search found several with only a single connector.
The RX 480 had a board power listed as 150W, the RX 580 as 185W per AMD.
The PCIe specifications list up to 75W from PCIe slot, additional 75W from the 6-pin connector, and 150W from the 8-pin, for a total of 300W. Can mix and match as well.
An RX 580 technically shouldn't use a single 6-pin to be within spec, but there's no doubt some manufacturers are/will do that. A single 8-pin would be fine though since it would have 40W of headroom. Dual 8-pins would be a little overkill with the 190W of headroom and all.
Guys, just being curious, why is the RX580 8GB > gtx1060 6GB? I've checked couple benchmarks and sometimes wins one then another by a few frames. The pricing is very similar (RX 580 is actually pricier than gtx1060;)
Currently I'm looking on Sapphire Oc LE RX580 8GB vs EVGA GTX1060 SC 6GB. Also, if the money weren't issue, do you think the GTX1070 would be worth it? Without upgrading lcd or cpu in next 3 years, definitely. Or is it waste of money.
Because radeon performance actually improves more with later drivers than geforce performance. Also AMD has pretty decent linux support, even the open driver works very well. Plus 2 gigs more VRAM but that isn't really important.
I would say no. 1080p is not a problem today in any game on very high to ultra settings or whatever they call it and won't be a problem in most games on high settings for years. The 1070 performs better by quite a lot but without a way of enjoying higher resolution or higher fps I don't think you would see a big benefit.
Also... LCDs die. Not saying that it will happen but it could. So if you are forced to look at new monitors, you might be able to afford a freesync one but (from what I assume) you probably would not want to pay big premium for g-sync.
Card has arrived. I've completely uninstalled Nvidia drivers, reboot and installed Crimson drivers. Then any game didn't wanted to started. Gta V complaining about missing directx9. Csgo started process, but didn't actually launch.
On steam site, I found advice to: "Verify game files of a game". This trigerred Directx installation after next csgo launch (weird?).
Gta works again, but fps are little low ~35fps @1080p
Do you have an idea, what shall I check?
Card seem to work fine, but. It didn't complain before neither. The game simply wouldn't start without any error mesage. I'm wondering, whether there's still somethng missing, what doesn't complain, rather crashes without warning.
You can still use Precision X but MSI Afterburner is my preferred tool. Had a nice in game overlay to monitor all temperatures, usage and clockspeed. OpenHardwareMonitor is nice too
Yeah download and run DDU. Completely uninstall your AMD drivers with it and then run it for nVidia. When switching vendors you really need to make sure the drivers are completely gone or else it can cause issues. Just uninstalling using control panel isn't enough.