1 Year Linux Challenge: Circling the Drain Edition

Why circling the drain edition? Because my first exposure to trying to run linux as a daily driver was in the late '90s or early 2000s. Dell had announced some new PCs for sale using this thing I’d never heard of called Red Hat. An OS for free? Not having to spend all day tweaking and tuning the registry trying to eke another few FPS out for Counter-Strike (or so I’d hoped) on my Pentium 2 box? Worth a try.

Like many, I suspect, I’d fallen into the trap of following the Windows paradigm of installing the OS first and then using the system. What I could do with a live CD (read: testing if hardware worked, before install) wasn’t explained well, or at all. As result, I bounced off when the WiFi didn’t work, and went back to Win98/WinXP and fell into the LiteStep rabbit hole instead.

The next dip into it was, coincidentally, around about the same time Dell’s XPS laptops came out with an Ubuntu edition. So I gave that a try, and things were mostly better… 'til the embedded Amazon search results in the app menu. Not too terribly long after, classwork introduced me to OpenSUSE, CentOS (pre-absorption), Kali, and others. By that time, if not for the gaming ‘requirement’, it was perfectly serviceable as an email and docs OS for my uses. But every time I put it on ‘real’ hardware, it wasn’t ‘real’ hardware – always some e-waste laptop that couldn’t game even if you wanted it to, so why fuss with trying to set things up for gaming? But also, since it couldn’t game, it mostly sat on the shelf unused, unless I actually needed to go somewhere. But even then, compatibility with mobile devices demanded I drop Windows on the box, if I did.

The first real shot I gave Linux as a replacement for my daily driver started last summer when I built my AM5 machine - it has never seen a Windows install. Started with Pop!_OS, and that install lasted 11 months until I started hitting some very bizarre issues with USB input being dropped when using multiple monitors. The change was a new monitor, though, not like an update broke something. The bizarre part is that it stopped doing it if I shut the monitors off in the display manager, but it’d come back if I re-enabled them. :person_shrugging: Never did figure that out, and still not even sure what I should’ve been looking at or for to do so. :face_with_diagonal_mouth: But despite that, the massive improvement from Linux of Yore vs. ‘install distro, install steam, change 2 settings in steam, and go’ where it’s 15 minutes to get set up is hugely impressive!

So I hopped a little bit, first to Nobara (out of my apt happy place, and first exposure to modern KDE), which was nice. A lot of the fuss already handled in the initial setup (btrfs with compression enabled by default, kernel rollback option enabled by default, and so on). Also doesn’t have the USB input drop problems, which made me wonder if it’s something about the DE change. :thinking: But it doesn’t use APT, and the only Synology packages that work on it are 3rd party repacks, so I hopped over to Tuxedo OS. Ubuntu based, still KDE, and things were … almost okay. Their updater didn’t work correctly for me, though, and the USB input drops had returned. So not the DE, but some esoterica in the configuration, somewhere. Hmm. :thinking:

I’m back on Nobara at the moment, but it has had a few rough edges with updates lately that make me miss the ‘just works’ that Pop was giving me, up til I added more screens. I don’t know that the problems I’m having are bad enough to make me hop again just yet, but I am playing with NixOS on the side on an old Thinkpad. At least in that distro / package manager’s case, it is valid to learn to suffer through the setup even if the hardware isn’t all that – grabbing the config file and throwing it at another machine, to have it rebuild exactly the same is the entire point :slightly_smiling_face:

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Ohhh, that sounds pretty awesome, with a COW FS, and snapshots, so any kernel updates, it can snapshot, the roll back- Smart!

congrats on full year dude!

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and, here’s to many more decades to come!

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I’m reporting this cake for not being physically edible.

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Congrats on making it this far and welcome to the club of persistent Linux users :wink: My first full Linux install for daily use was in 2005 after Win98SE gave me one too many BSOD’s. I’ve since build several PC’s and only one has a Win7 install on it for games that cannot run under Linux. Ancient hardware and it’s hardly used. Still, the games I do play on them run smoothly as they’re from the WinXP days, basically.

My Linux journey started with RH8, then upgraded to 9 then Suse (prior to absorption by Oracle) before settling on Debian Sarge due to the superior package management and conflict handling. When systemd emerged as default later on I made the switch to Funtoo before discovering Devuan, which is essentially Debian sans the systemd-cr@p. Works just the way I like it :smiley:

(my first interaction with Linux was several failed attempts to install Caldera Linux on my (now) ancient AMD K6-2 @500MHz with just 64MB RAM back in 2001/02-ish. I never gotten that distro to install on anything, kudo’s to anyone who succeeded here!)

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Welcome, welcome!

I am full on linux at home for the last 3/3,5 years.

The first install I did was on a 486DX4/133 back in god knows when. It was SLS!!!

I was on the debian derivative bandwagon for ages, with distros like aptosid, sidux and such.

Took the plunge and went Archlinux. Never looked back for either home PC or laptop.

I am also on Arch at work, but that is a new install, about a year.

Solutions exist, just ask or search. And windows? only on client stuff and my daughter’s PC :frowning:

She will grow out of roblox and lego fps she is playing someday.

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Same, honestly. :joy: But maybe this is worth celebrating like that :thinking:

Persistence seems to be a requirement, but it’s been worth learning :slightly_smiling_face: I do still have a gamer laptop with Windows on it, but I’ve only opened it twice in the last year. Once to back some stuff up and copy it over to the NAS to copy it over to the linux desktop, and once to troubleshoot an issue with Helldivers 2. In the latter case, I had the same problem on Windows as Linux was exhibiting, which was kind of magical, honestly.

Yeah, the anticheat situation is probably the main roadblock for a lot of folks. I’m fortunate in that none of the games I play use anything like that, or did bother to enable linux support (or Valve is doing a lot of heavy lifting in the background).

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May I suggest KDE Neon (Ubuntu-based), which works sufficiently well for me? Alternatively, I came across SpiralLinux (Debian-based), which seems to be nice as well.

If it’s well implemented, I applaud it. I currently do something similar by hand (one command line to snapshot the volumes, one command line to update packages, and if all works well after rebooting, one command line to delete old snapshots).

Always good to learn something different, and both immutable distros, and reproducible builds are all the rage these days.

1994-ish?

For me it was Crunchbang, until it died, then BunsenLabs, until I grew unsatisfied with it.

Good for you. Personally, I prefer Void (but for the sake of not having to fiddle with it, I’m on KDE Neon atm).

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Possibly 1995 or 1996. I think that I still had my 386sx in 1994. I have to check the receipt of the 486’s RAM as I installed it after upgrading it.

Void is really nice. Good choice overall, nicely done distro.

Crunchbag was fantastic. Truly great in many ways.

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Hey everyone, I’m so surprised how similar our Linux journeys are! Started back in the 90s/early 2000s, on and off until Microsoft just broke my spirit. Then it was “never again!”

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It’s been over 10 years since greedy Windows ruined my dual boot… now it’s just one system and no more Blue Screens of Death!

And another thing—we all hopped around distros, but nobody forced their choice on anyone else, lol.

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Still going strong, but wanted to throw a tiny note out. Have been playing around with Ubuntu on the laptops just for the easy mode ZFS install (via their installer). It’s an experimental feature, and does indeed still have some rough edges.

Was upgrading from 24.10 → 25.04 and got what I thought was a grey screen of death. Had the same happen 24.04->24.10 as well, but has always been ‘well its a test system, just reinstall from the newest ISO’. But then I had one that didn’t have the problem - that one was using the LVM + encrypted option rather than ZFS. That’s weird, but probably a module thing then? So looked a little further this time.

So to fix it, at least in this case:

  1. When on the ‘Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can’t recover. Please contact a system administrator’ grey screen of death, switch to TTY / command console. Press CTRL+ALT+F# (might be F2 - F6, depending)
  2. Login to the machine; same user and pass as on the normal login manager
  3. Rerun the updates manually: sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade
  4. Reconfigure the packages: sudo dpkg --configure -a
  5. Fix any that broke: sudo apt --fix-broken install
  6. Restart the machine.

Annoyed it didn’t do it itself during the version upgrade, and annoyed I never looked further into what ended up being a few seconds of effort (and some download/reconfiguration time) to fix. Live and learn :yay:

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Yup, basic Debian stuff :wink:

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It was the dpkg part that was new to me, but the leap to ‘modules?’ wouldn’t have happened if not for fussing about with setting up gentoo and configuring the kernel options a couple of months back. So, progress :slightly_smiling_face: If in a very roundabout, space-heater sort of way :joy:

Edit to add:
The mixed blessing of Ubuntu: It just works, until it doesn’t. And the ‘helpful and friendly’ screen just made it a “well, start over”. If it was my only machine, and no phone to look up the error, that kind of behavior would’ve put me back on Windows. Just like the first couple of times of trying to move to linux.

Second edit, because oops :yay: :
Hilarious serendipity of confusing dpkg (package maintenance under-layer behind apt) for dkms (kernel modules) got me to the solution anyway :joy: But, part of the journey. :face_with_hand_over_mouth: And credit where it’s due, I suppose, that I haven’t had to run into it more than once or twice.

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Gave Linux Mint a shot today for probably an hour, via a live boot USB, and…I feel like it ran better than Win 10 on a SSD. I think that is largely a bias backed by no fact, but it does have me interested in exploring more.

One particular question I have is in regards to the office suite and school work as a whole. Has anyone ever had personal experience with office formatting issues or file types? I largely have held off on a true “1 year Linux challenge” because of school and the ease of falling in to the common crowd. For a variety of reasons I would like to explore outside of Windows, but may hold off it anyone foresees any issues.

Thanks!

Historically yes, but my last practical experience with experiencing formatting issues is quite a long time ago (it was still OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice; 10+ years ago). I can’t speak to the current state of it personally; either I’ve been working with people through a browser instead (google docs, sharepoint/office web apps), or it’s all been personal projects that I’m not sharing with others.

One thing you could try, even from Windows, is working with your documents with LibreOffice and checking if you’re noticing any formatting issues for one’s authored in, say, Word and then opened in Writer. And then checking vice versa, as well.

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Good point, I also could easily move to Google docs for most of my work.

If anything you could keep a windows vm for things you really can’t leave behind

Although MS suite has an online version after all

At work I use windoes but I have meddled with some ms office stuff through the cloud when I had to do it from home (been running linux for a couple years now, I stopped counting)

Good to know. I definitely have some VM learning to do as well, I actually am not sure I have ever ran windows in a VM since it was my first line OS

I have seen it happen. File types shouldn’t be too much of an issue these days, given that both Google Suite and LibreOffice can read and write the current file formats used by MS Office. A few things come to mind, though:

  • Fonts: make sure you have the freely available Microsoft fonts installed, as otherwise viewing any document you get from elsewhere will be a pain. This is also true the other way around: if you author a document, and don’t pay attention to using a font available on Windows, that will mean pain for whoever receives the document. Furthermore, Windows 11 has new default fonts, and I don’t know off the top of my head how to account for them on Linux.
  • Excel: if you work with formulas, make sure they are compatible with what LO Calc supports. I almost never use Excel so I had no need to look into this so far, but if you do, make sure to research this topic.
  • PowerPoint: I have seen more formatting issues in LO’s equivalent to PP than in Writer; be sure to test this in advance.

All of these considerations will mostly be important if you need to collaborate with others on Office documents. For final versions, you can usually sidestep any issues by exporting as PDF.

Good to know. Currently my university does not allow pdf format for submitted assignments so this is good to know. I also likely will keep my laptop windows in order to worry less and just complete school work there.

I suspect that many of the fonts can be added to LO, though it is not something I have done before I am sure it isn’t all that difficult.

Ah well, back when I was a student, all assignments submissions were printed on paper… :grin: